"When Men differ in Opinion, both Sides ought equally to have the Advantage of being heard by the Publick;
and that when Truth and Error have fair Play, the former is always an overmatch for the latter."
~ Benjamin Franklin
Chemyst (May 24th, 2019)
"I am a galley slave to pen and ink." ~Honore de Balzac
Yes, not saying Wesley offered to buy or paid for the pen(s) at Pentrace. Just a very unusual offering on three pen boards, especially after I’d paid for the Omas Arco Verde shown in those photos on 5/9.
(Edited to correct my date)
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"I am a galley slave to pen and ink." ~Honore de Balzac
Yeah, but can you stop and think for a moment? The ad on Pentrace was up on the 8th. It isn't unusual for a seller to be lax in not going back and editing their ad to say it's been sold. For all we know (and if the seller had actually been an honest business person), the seller might have responded to "Wesley" on the 10th that the pen was spoken for, but that he would keep him in mind if the transaction didn't complete; or that he simply told him the pen was sold.
We don't know. There is still nothing suspicious in a person responding to an ad that has not been marked sold or taken down. You are operating without full information.
P.S. There is nothing wrong with running an ad for pens on multiple forums. I see it very, very often: FPN, FPG, Pentrace, sometimes reddit, sometimes eBay. It's common practice if you are trying to sell things.
"When Men differ in Opinion, both Sides ought equally to have the Advantage of being heard by the Publick;
and that when Truth and Error have fair Play, the former is always an overmatch for the latter."
~ Benjamin Franklin
You are right. I withdraw my implications. However, the fact that the Omas Arco Verde as pictured in the sales offering here at FPGeeks was sold to both me and Vintage-Pens (we both have paid for that Omas Arco) doesn’t give me much optimism for the seller’s honesty.
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Last edited by Kudzu; May 24th, 2019 at 12:16 AM.
"I am a galley slave to pen and ink." ~Honore de Balzac
Before I head off to bed, I want to be clear: I'm on your side. I do have a feeling this person is running a con, or doing very sloppy business at best. I just don't want you to make more work, trouble or angst for yourself than necessary. I'm feeling like emotions are at play and that can cloud careful thinking and actions, which are of great value at times like this.
"When Men differ in Opinion, both Sides ought equally to have the Advantage of being heard by the Publick;
and that when Truth and Error have fair Play, the former is always an overmatch for the latter."
~ Benjamin Franklin
Kudzu (May 24th, 2019)
Maybe nothing but I thought the style of the advert looked familiar. It's much like this LINK
Similar enough to make me think about image appropriation.
Ahriman4891 (May 24th, 2019)
I'm not sure if I can add to this particular story, but I have had a problem with the seller as well (around a year or so ago).
If there is any way to help you please let me know. However, this case is quite different in the sense that in my case, the pen was returned to him but then 'dissapeared'.
The connection between my case and this case is minimal at best, so no conlusions should be made too early. However, I can maybe shed some light on how he manipulated me as well.
Quickly reading this story, it (hunting trip, double sale,..) seems to be really scetchy. He used similair tricks in my case. Please allow me to elaborate
1) He did ship a pen, which was "lost". But in the public dispute (on this forum) he constantly referred to "a tracking". However: https://i.imgur.com/bWZwauX.png
2) He tried to rip me off while I still hadn't recieved the pen.... -> https://i.imgur.com/8OeSbGR.png
3) It took dayyyys and days to respond, even a week or more just to reply. Which was EXTREMELY frustrating knowing that my (then) most expensive was lost. Even other people had problems -> https://i.imgur.com/mINRF2T.png
4) Then tried to manipulate me again -> https://i.imgur.com/bLEG1lI.png
5) He then lied about the status of the package, which he didnt even resend! Then lying about a snowstorm justifying the delay (which was not a delay, he just didn't sent it...) -> https://i.imgur.com/UfWbccw.png
And a LOT more problems, frustration, lies and decieving me to 'ease my mind'. Telling from MY experience, the hunting SEEMS a lie
My pen (ofcourse, what a coincidence) was "never found" and he decided to keep all the money not offering even a part of a refund. Meaning I paid full price for the pen AND lost the pen. (total lost >700usd).
I gave this a place already and I moved on from this issue. But I advice anyone to be careful about anything that he says.
EDIT: spelling and I also noticed he used the same tricks like 'the vet bill'
Last edited by rubendh; May 24th, 2019 at 04:09 AM.
Bisquitlips (May 24th, 2019), David L. (July 26th, 2019), jccjr (May 25th, 2019), Viktaurian (May 24th, 2019)
This only highlights the importance of using PayPal Goods and Services!
Regards, Chrissy | My Review Blog: inkyfountainpens
I discovered the listing for the Arco Verde a bit late. I decided to inquire about availability anyways with little hope... jjm5812 responded "There is a lot of interest but no payment received yet".
The answer was a surprise but I happily and promptly sent payment.
At least three of us sent payment for this pen now. The only difference with Kudzu and Vintage-Nibs is that I paid with Paypal and already got my money back.
This size of this thread is probably going to increase and increase, but the main conclusions will be: Don't do business with jjm5812 and only use Paypal.
Ahriman4891 (May 24th, 2019), azkid (May 24th, 2019), Bisquitlips (May 24th, 2019), Chemyst (May 24th, 2019), David L. (July 26th, 2019), dbrfreak (May 24th, 2019), jccjr (May 25th, 2019), Kazoomi (June 12th, 2019), Viktaurian (May 24th, 2019), welch (June 9th, 2019)
Regards, Chrissy | My Review Blog: inkyfountainpens
Chemyst (May 24th, 2019), dbrfreak (May 24th, 2019), Viktaurian (May 24th, 2019)
+1
and... any time you see any advert for any Arco, beware!
Failing that, here are some nice ASC pens from a couple of reputable sellers;
https://morastylos.com/stylos/neufs/...moni-club.html
https://chatterleyluxuries.com/produ...rmando-simoni/
Last edited by SIR; May 24th, 2019 at 06:56 AM.
Viktaurian (May 24th, 2019)
Agree, the sellers (Morastylos & Chatterly) are very reputable.
ASC pens, however, are quite problematic.
ASC's quality control and post sales service are both well documented to be awful.
Beware!!!!
Careful due diligence should enable a Geek to find a legitimate & genuine Omas Arco pen at a price at or below ASC prices. A far better way to go.
Morastylos has produced their Oldwin Classic Pens in many of the coveted vintage Omas celluloids including Arco Bronze & Arco Verde. They are more difficult to find but not impossible. And, they are exquisite.
Shouldn't this be in "Market Feedback" to which rules of conduct apply?
Regards, Chrissy | My Review Blog: inkyfountainpens
Chemyst (May 24th, 2019)
I think the reason these types of threads end up here is this is a far more read forum than the others. People go where the eyes are available to broadcast a message. It's why you see WTB ads here too even though there is a WTB forum "right next door."
I think in this case I support this particular example as I would not ever visit the Market Feedback forum. I will say there are a lot of aspersions being cast by well meaning third parties who are not adding to a factual resolution of this situation.
I hope those who have been wronged come forward and receive the support they deserve. This world of pen collectors/users in a wonderful community overall and it is a shame to know bad actors may be spoiling an otherwise enjoyable hobby/passion/obsession.
Hear, hear.
Additionally, I have alerted the admin of the Pentrace Market Board about the issue. I note that this morning (i.e. since last night), someone else has inquired about the pen there. I have a feeling it is some 'well-meaning' person who is trying an amateur sleuth method of investigating the issue. Really dumb and doesn't help.
"When Men differ in Opinion, both Sides ought equally to have the Advantage of being heard by the Publick;
and that when Truth and Error have fair Play, the former is always an overmatch for the latter."
~ Benjamin Franklin
It doesn't really matter where it is as long as people read it, and many click on New Posts anyway, so those always appear at the top. I don't usually read Classified For Sale Ads, but am not marking that forum as read at the moment like I normally do.
I hope that anyone who has lost any money as a result of this gets every penny of it back as soon as possible without too much effort.
Regards, Chrissy | My Review Blog: inkyfountainpens
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