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    Question state ownership of pharmaceutical production

    don't know about the rest of the world, but the UK is embroiled in an ongoing debacle caused by private pharmaceutical producers grossly inflating the price of medicines.

    seems to me the obvious solution is state owned production of all out-of-patent essential treatments, am i wrong?

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    Default Re: state ownership of pharmaceutical production

    Didn’t you once say you’re conservative?

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    Default Re: state ownership of pharmaceutical production

    Pharmaceutical price gouging is massive in the US too. I daresay it is probably a relatively common phenomenon whenever there is private interest in public health.

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    Default Re: state ownership of pharmaceutical production

    I'm no fan of pharmaceutical companies for a lot of reasons, but I do realize that they are a business and need to recoup development (and liability) costs and still make a profit.

    The real problem is that the capitalistic drive for profit is the capitalistic drive that develops new pharmaceuticals. The State rarely does anything well, cheaply or efficiently.

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    Default Re: state ownership of pharmaceutical production

    Quote Originally Posted by dneal View Post
    The State rarely does anything well, cheaply or efficiently.
    Except healthcare, education, emergency services... that sort of thing.
    Vintage. Cursive italic. Iron gall.

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    Default Re: state ownership of pharmaceutical production

    Don't look now Silverlifter but your examples just proved dneal's point.

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    Default Re: state ownership of pharmaceutical production

    Quote Originally Posted by kazoolaw View Post
    Don't look now Silverlifter but your examples just proved dneal's point.
    I'm genuinely sorry you live in a failed state. Many of the rest of us are fortunate enough to live in functioning ones...
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    Default Re: state ownership of pharmaceutical production

    Quote Originally Posted by silverlifter View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by dneal View Post
    The State rarely does anything well, cheaply or efficiently.
    Except healthcare, education, emergency services... that sort of thing.

    The only state that does those things well is the State of Utopia.

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    Default Re: state ownership of pharmaceutical production

    Quote Originally Posted by dneal View Post
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    The State rarely does anything well, cheaply or efficiently.
    Except healthcare, education, emergency services... that sort of thing.
    The only state that does those things well is the State of Utopia.
    It's one thing to make a throwaway comment, another entirely to provide some supporting rationale. Those countries that do provide state owned healthcare, education etc, tend to rank at the top of economic and wellbeing indicators, eg these ones. The top 10 all provide state owned healthcare and education.

    So, not utopia, just enlightened.

    #edit: I initially missed your first post, with the link to the Reason article. If I had, I wouldn't have bothered to respond. I understand you have that weird American syndrome where, probably because you have not lived anywhere else, you can't conceive of a system that is not fundamentally broken the way yours is. As I said in a previous post, I am genuinely sorry you live in a failed state. Just don't project your own issue onto onther nations, some of us are able to manage a lot better...
    Last edited by silverlifter; June 15th, 2019 at 07:46 PM.
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    Default Re: state ownership of pharmaceutical production

    Quote Originally Posted by silverlifter View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by silverlifter View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by dneal View Post
    The State rarely does anything well, cheaply or efficiently.
    Except healthcare, education, emergency services... that sort of thing.
    The only state that does those things well is the State of Utopia.
    It's one thing to make a throwaway comment, another entirely to provide some supporting rationale. Those countries that do provide state owned healthcare, education etc, tend to rank at the top of economic and wellbeing indicators, eg these ones. The top 10 all provide state owned healthcare and education.

    So, not utopia, just enlightened.

    #edit: I initially missed your first post, with the link to the Reason article. If I had, I wouldn't have bothered to respond. I understand you have that weird American syndrome where, probably because you have not lived anywhere else, you can't conceive of a system that is not fundamentally broken the way yours is. As I said in a previous post, I am genuinely sorry you live in a failed state. Just don't project your own issue onto onther nations, some of us are able to manage a lot better...
    I believe you started the “throwaway” comment thing. I can play that game too.

    I lived in Germany for 10 years. So much for your assumptions.

    The U.S. is hardly a “failed state”. I would think a Brit would be one of the last people to hurl “failed state” accusations.

    —edit—

    The U.S. appears to be one step above the U.K. in your link...
    Last edited by dneal; June 15th, 2019 at 08:26 PM.

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    Default Re: state ownership of pharmaceutical production

    Quote Originally Posted by dneal View Post
    The U.S. is hardly a “failed state”.
    Actual lol. No, it's the very model of good governance...
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    Default Re: state ownership of pharmaceutical production

    Quote Originally Posted by silverlifter View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by dneal View Post
    The U.S. is hardly a “failed state”.
    Actual lol. No, it's the very model of good governance...
    *yawn*. Surely you can do better than that.

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    Default Re: state ownership of pharmaceutical production

    All things being relative, the UK's various state owned/operated systems are definitely better than nothing, however, they could certainly be a lot better - to say their basic maintenance and development has been neglected would be an understatement, but i think the same should be said about the state of our community as a whole.

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    Default Re: state ownership of pharmaceutical production

    Quote Originally Posted by dneal View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by silverlifter View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by dneal View Post
    The U.S. is hardly a “failed state”.
    Actual lol. No, it's the very model of good governance...
    *yawn*. Surely you can do better than that.
    I don't need to. I have already comprehensively rebutted your argument. Do try and keep up.
    Vintage. Cursive italic. Iron gall.

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    Default Re: state ownership of pharmaceutical production

    Quote Originally Posted by silverlifter View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by dneal View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by silverlifter View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by dneal View Post
    The U.S. is hardly a “failed state”.
    Actual lol. No, it's the very model of good governance...
    *yawn*. Surely you can do better than that.
    I don't need to. I have already comprehensively rebutted your argument. Do try and keep up.
    LOL

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    Default Re: state ownership of pharmaceutical production

    I did some readin' at multiple sites with discovery...learned.....
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    Default Re: state ownership of pharmaceutical production

    Socialism works... for a while. Then it fails miserably. You can only cripple the most productive sector of society for so long before the parasites kill off their host.

    Socialsm was designed to soften the ground to provide a transition to communism in countries where a violent revolution isn't viable.
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    Default Re: state ownership of pharmaceutical production

    I'd love to end socialism for big companies. Those parasites have been draining the middle and lower classes for decades.

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    Default Re: state ownership of pharmaceutical production

    Quote Originally Posted by azkid View Post
    I'd love to end socialism for big companies. Those parasites have been draining the middle and lower classes for decades.
    While I agree with your first sentence, I’m skeptical about the second. How are big companies draining the middle and lower classes?

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