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    Default A Change of Perspective.

    As some of you may have realised now, although I have often started threads on subjects that I think may be of interest to others and will likely generate site traffic, they do not always represent my personal position. On the other hand perhaps nobody noticed?

    I mention this here because I don't want the next thing I say to be misinterpreted as yet another change of perspective on my part. (One can only hope!)



    My actual position is such that although I do have an interest in fountain pens - especially writing with them - I am not drawn to the world of repair/restoration (and have so far little need to be so drawn), nor to the more clearly defined areas that a pure collector would take (and I have no objection or negative thoughts for those that do).

    When we return from the trip to the UK I am considering expanding the small sampling of pens I have. There are some problems with this though.

    1. There aren't many new pens that grab my attention enough to take the plunge. To be fair, I will get to try in the hand quite a few while in Singapore (on part of the trip), but really the sample size is likely to be small (in terms of what I may buy) and limited to trying a modern Aurora (88 or Optima), the Pelikan 600/800/1000 for fit only, and anything in urushi just to get an idea of what it feels like (I have a fave Nakaya model but I'm not paying that much for a sub $100 nib - my opinion only of course).

    2. I'd like to see a modern higher quality ebonite pen (ideally an Eboya) to see if there really is any subjective difference between it and an Indian ebonite pen (I know, some may say that is outrageous to suggest, but until I have it in my hand I won't know for certain).


    Those are small problems that will be easily addressed on the trip. Larger problems abound when I consider the few vintage pens I may like to own.

    I struggle for a market. This is probably the biggest issue. eBay is an awful place in my experience, and pen shows are beyond my reach. I am signed up for Gary Lehrer's site, but usually the link goes out well before I get any chance to access it and most of what I'm interested in (if it is on his list) is usually gone by then. Other vintage pen sites - with no disrespect to the owners - are often significantly limited in their stock. Considering the volumes of pens traded at shows and so on I have to assume that there is a large offline community (or resource pool) that I have no access to.


    At this point I don't have a firm idea of what I may be chasing but the following are kinda in my sights:

    1. A Waterman's 94 in Steel Quartz (any original nib) or Mahogany - I have put out a request for this but have had zero response here or on Pentrace.
    2. An Eversharp Skyline in black with the green striped cap. I've not seen a decent example of this for over a year (on eBay). Again, not looking for a flex nib.
    3. A Parker Duofold in sea foam green. Never seen a good example.
    4. An Aurora 88P in good condition. These crop up from time to time, but with limited confidence in eBay sellers I've been reluctant to go for one.
    5. A Sheaffer Balance in marine green - a big one.

    As you can see, this is not a big list, though it may be a little pricey to do in one go.

    While these are likely to be much easier to find for our US friends (correct me if I am wrong on this), the difficulty is a whole magnitude larger for those of us in distant and isolated lands.

    What I am hoping for here is at the very least to start some conversations going. If this leads to a small network of people whose opinions I trust then perhaps some small pen dreams may be realised. It may also be a great help if some of the better eBay sellers were unmasked (perhaps back channel), because I have no idea who anyone is and there are certain sellers I avoid like the plague when they may actually be reputable (unknown to me).


    Anywho, there it is. I am asking the community for some help. I don't expect any quick resolutions to any of this, and I am quite prepared to take the time to build those relationships.
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    Default Re: A Change of Perspective.

    Nothing on the web is bullet proof, even the FPG forum has recently had it's frauds and less happy buyers. The closest thing is a trusted seller with a good reputation that will let you return a purchase. It all comes with a bit of back and forth in the mail. There are a few trusted sellers on ebay, and I don't disregard them completely. Some sell used, but restored pens, others mint collectors items at various prices. The random seller will have varying quality and fix up projects, as you well know. A gem turns up now and then. Maybe there are repair services you can use if you find a good fix up pen? Ideally we should have a good pen store in every medium sized city, I don't think that will ever happen again. If a pen show turns up locally, I would attend.

    For your situation I don't think there are any straight forward solution. Like you mention, it all comes down to qualities you are looking, mabye something new to discover. It all involves a bit of search, testing and trying. Keep your favorite pen and cherish it :- )

    The pens you list will turn up, it's all a question of time, energy and money. I guess all the forums and blogs was originally started to form a social network related to pens, maybe there are too many individuals involved to establish closer groups of friendships.
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    Default Re: A Change of Perspective.

    You could try Paolo at Zona900.com for the Aurora 88P.

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    Default Re: A Change of Perspective.

    I'm in the same situation: stuck at the bottom of the world with limited access to vintage...

    The Melbourne pen show is the closest that apparently has a good range of vintage pens. I'm considering a trip to see how extensive that is, but I suspect it won't hold a candle to what is on offer in the US or EU.
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    Default Re: A Change of Perspective.

    @arrow, totally agree. Will have to settle for long waits.

    @catbert, thanks. Forgot about that site. There's a couple on there now but I won't be able to act until after the holiday is done.

    @silverlifter, indeed. That is why I mention the US in the OP (though I suspect a lot of US members are perhaps a little unaware of the extent of the vintage pen desert we inhabit over here).

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    In the event that a modern ebonite pen does not float my boat, then a vintage woodgrain version would be a most suitable substitution. I wonder if I can prevail on Will. G. to keep an eye out for something? I've watched his site with keen interest for a long time now - he is one of the sellers I feel confident of (though I've yet to purchase from) -and I trust in his attention to detail in getting an old pen up and running properly. Will, the Unic might work for me if it posts securely (a bit too short if it doesn't).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Empty_of_Clouds View Post
    In the event that a modern ebonite pen does not float my boat, then a vintage woodgrain version would be a most suitable substitution. I wonder if I can prevail on Will. G. to keep an eye out for something? I've watched his site with keen interest for a long time now - he is one of the sellers I feel confident of (though I've yet to purchase from) -and I trust in his attention to detail in getting an old pen up and running properly. Will, the Unic might work for me if it posts securely (a bit too short if it doesn't).
    David, if you're interested in one of my pens, feel free to contact me a via my email redeempens at gmail (actually you've done so in the past). I don't always read every post here on FPG so I could have missed this one.

    I have to double check if the UNIC is still available. I remember I sold something like that recently. Also, the UNIC does post, but I wouldn't count on it for long term use, the cap lip is quite thin, and a crack may develop sooner or later. This is not to say that vintage pens are necessarily more fragile than modern ones, but is almost a century old object after all.
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    Default Re: A Change of Perspective.

    Quote Originally Posted by Empty_of_Clouds View Post
    In the event that a modern ebonite pen does not float my boat, then a vintage woodgrain version would be a most suitable substitution. I wonder if I can prevail on Will. G. to keep an eye out for something? I've watched his site with keen interest for a long time now - he is one of the sellers I feel confident of (though I've yet to purchase from) -and I trust in his attention to detail in getting an old pen up and running properly. Will, the Unic might work for me if it posts securely (a bit too short if it doesn't).
    +1 for Will. Good ol' Penwash has a fascinating collection of pens for procurement.

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    Default Re: A Change of Perspective.

    Thanks, Will, I do keep a keen eye on your page.

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    Default Re: A Change of Perspective.

    Darn!

    Missed a nice looking Good Service Pen in woodgrain that went for about $120. Unfortunately I was in surgery and unable to keep abreast of the auction.
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    Default Re: A Change of Perspective.

    Bump.


    Still looking for some help.

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    Default Re: A Change of Perspective.

    As always, any helpful hints, suggestions, links or connections, are welcome.

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    Default Re: A Change of Perspective.

    GREAT DESIRED LIST OF PENS YOU HAVE THERE...............I DO NOT OWN A WTRMN 94, BUT DO OWN THE OTHERS (DUOFOLD FOAM GREEN OR SHEAFFER, CAN'T REMEMBER BUT OWN A BUNCH OF DUOFOLD'S)[/COLOR][/B] THE VARIOUS COLRS YOU WANT BEING PRETTY OLD ARE HARD TO FIND IF NOT RARE W/OUT STAINING AND YET STILL ARE PRICEY AT PRESENT VS 20 YRS AGO

    GOOD LUCK IN YOUR QUEST....................
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    Default Re: A Change of Perspective.

    As always, any helpful hints, suggestions, links or connections, are welcome.

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    Default Re: A Change of Perspective.

    I wonder if I should just stick with modern shop bought pens?

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