Results 1 to 16 of 16

Thread: Silver plate replating. Has anyone had a go?

  1. #1
    FPG Donor ♕ Chrissy's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2013
    Location
    Berkshire UK
    Posts
    5,329
    Thanks
    2,455
    Thanked 4,422 Times in 1,705 Posts
    Rep Power
    12

    Default Silver plate replating. Has anyone had a go?

    I have a Sheaffer silver plated pen where the cap is slightly darker (plating loss?) near it's base than the barrel, which is still bright and shiny.

    I've been looking at different ways of sliver replating for the bottom of the cap. Has anyone ever done such a thing? Please can you tell me what method you chose? Painting on some silver plating liquid, using a metal plate, or using a sliver plating bath? I would love to know all about your results. Thanks.
    Regards, Chrissy | My Blog: inkyfountainpens

  2. #2
    Senior Member FredRydr's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2012
    Location
    Carlisle, Pennsylvania USA
    Posts
    2,518
    Thanks
    502
    Thanked 2,544 Times in 1,078 Posts
    Rep Power
    10

    Default Re: Silver plate replating. Has anyone had a go?

    I've never attempted to plate metal at home. I've seen the lackluster (pun intended) quality of one pen show vendor who offered his kitchen-table plating services.

    kirchh does this type of work, and top pensmiths refer metal pen parts restoration and plating to him. https://danielkirchheimer.com/restoration/
    Last edited by FredRydr; July 10th, 2019 at 05:31 AM.

  3. The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to FredRydr For This Useful Post:

    azkid (July 10th, 2019), Chrissy (July 10th, 2019)

  4. #3
    FPG Donor ♕ Chrissy's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2013
    Location
    Berkshire UK
    Posts
    5,329
    Thanks
    2,455
    Thanked 4,422 Times in 1,705 Posts
    Rep Power
    12

    Default Re: Silver plate replating. Has anyone had a go?

    My main problem is that the cap probably needs the internal clutch removed. Whether the gold plated clip would also need removing is also a distinct possibility. It may be a difficult job....
    Regards, Chrissy | My Blog: inkyfountainpens

  5. #4
    FPG Donor ♕ Chrissy's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2013
    Location
    Berkshire UK
    Posts
    5,329
    Thanks
    2,455
    Thanked 4,422 Times in 1,705 Posts
    Rep Power
    12

    Default Re: Silver plate replating. Has anyone had a go?

    As luck would have it, I saw a sequence on The Repair Shop where a renowned silversmith used a brush plating kit to plate two items with silver.
    Getting the kit isn't cheap, but it looked like a neat kit and it made a decent job of it.
    Regards, Chrissy | My Blog: inkyfountainpens

  6. #5
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Oct 2012
    Posts
    545
    Thanks
    41
    Thanked 231 Times in 111 Posts
    Rep Power
    7

    Default Re: Silver plate replating. Has anyone had a go?

    What model pen?

    --Daniel
    “Every discussion which is made from an egoistic standpoint is corrupted from the start and cannot yield an absolutely sure conclusion. The ego puts its own interest first and twists every argument, word, even fact to suit that interest.”
    ― Paul Brunton, The Notebooks of Paul Brunton

  7. #6
    FPG Donor ♕ Chrissy's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2013
    Location
    Berkshire UK
    Posts
    5,329
    Thanks
    2,455
    Thanked 4,422 Times in 1,705 Posts
    Rep Power
    12

    Default Re: Silver plate replating. Has anyone had a go?

    Regards, Chrissy | My Blog: inkyfountainpens

  8. #7
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Feb 2017
    Posts
    135
    Thanks
    27
    Thanked 101 Times in 64 Posts
    Rep Power
    3

    Default Re: Silver plate replating. Has anyone had a go?

    Here is a UK company selling a silver plating solution, appears to obtain good results

    https://www.kernowcraft.com/jeweller...ating-solution

  9. The Following User Says Thank You to Fermata For This Useful Post:

    Chrissy (August 7th, 2019)

  10. #8
    FPG Donor ♕ Chrissy's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2013
    Location
    Berkshire UK
    Posts
    5,329
    Thanks
    2,455
    Thanked 4,422 Times in 1,705 Posts
    Rep Power
    12

    Default Re: Silver plate replating. Has anyone had a go?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fermata View Post
    Here is a UK company selling a silver plating solution, appears to obtain good results

    https://www.kernowcraft.com/jeweller...ating-solution
    Thank you and yes, I have been considering buying a bottle of silver plating solution. I've even been advised by an expert that it will work as long as I add new solution to the cloth very frequently as the small amount of silver will disappear straight away.
    Despite the reviews on Amazon being a bit up and down, that may be the way I will go.
    Last edited by Chrissy; August 7th, 2019 at 02:57 AM.
    Regards, Chrissy | My Blog: inkyfountainpens

  11. #9
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Feb 2017
    Posts
    135
    Thanks
    27
    Thanked 101 Times in 64 Posts
    Rep Power
    3

    Default Re: Silver plate replating. Has anyone had a go?

    I think some jewellers offer rhodium plating, that might work.

  12. The Following User Says Thank You to Fermata For This Useful Post:

    Chrissy (September 9th, 2019)

  13. #10
    FPG Donor ♕ Chrissy's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2013
    Location
    Berkshire UK
    Posts
    5,329
    Thanks
    2,455
    Thanked 4,422 Times in 1,705 Posts
    Rep Power
    12

    Default Re: Silver plate replating. Has anyone had a go?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fermata View Post
    I think some jewellers offer rhodium plating, that might work.
    It's more a case of whether or not they will charge more than the pen is worth to do it though. The expert UK silversmith already quoted me £45 plus postage. That's as much as a brush plating kit.
    Regards, Chrissy | My Blog: inkyfountainpens

  14. #11
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Feb 2017
    Posts
    135
    Thanks
    27
    Thanked 101 Times in 64 Posts
    Rep Power
    3

    Default Re: Silver plate replating. Has anyone had a go?

    I have called my jeweller and asked for an indication, his prices start at £40 to replate a white gold ring so a cap and barrel would be way too high compared the pen's value.

    If you go ahead with the kit it would be great to see a photo essay of the process.

    My worry would be - could I make it worse.

  15. The Following User Says Thank You to Fermata For This Useful Post:

    Chrissy (September 9th, 2019)

  16. #12
    FPG Donor ♕ Chrissy's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2013
    Location
    Berkshire UK
    Posts
    5,329
    Thanks
    2,455
    Thanked 4,422 Times in 1,705 Posts
    Rep Power
    12

    Default Re: Silver plate replating. Has anyone had a go?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fermata View Post
    I have called my jeweller and asked for an indication, his prices start at £40 to replate a white gold ring so a cap and barrel would be way too high compared the pen's value.

    If you go ahead with the kit it would be great to see a photo essay of the process.

    My worry would be - could I make it worse.
    Actually rhodium plating a white gold ring is much more expensive than silver plating. I know that from my own experiences with white gold.

    I'm still trying to decide whether to try the bottle of sliver plating liquid, or to buy a brush on silver plating kit that I might possibly use only once. I know I won't be able to use a silver plating bath because I'm not sure I can remove the gold plated clip from the cap, and that would need to be removed before it could be dunked in a bath. The cap is the only part that really needs doing, and it's only around the open edge. Not that much of an area to do. Maybe a bottle will work.
    Regards, Chrissy | My Blog: inkyfountainpens

  17. #13
    Junior Member
    Join Date
    Sep 2019
    Location
    Southern Arizona
    Posts
    7
    Thanks
    0
    Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts
    Rep Power
    0

    Default Re: Silver plate replating. Has anyone had a go?

    Plating at home is not hard. Surface prep is incredibly important, cleaning with alcohol followed by a distilled water rinse is important. Wearing latex gloves through the process (to avoid hand oils from affecting the surface) is important. And remember, a final finish will never be smoother or better than the surface BEFORE it was plated. Brush plating is good for things like replating a clip, dip plating is better for doing things like pen bodies. Electroless plating solutions tend to leave a less bright finish than electroplated finishes. Yes, I have plated at home with gold, to get rid of brassing on a Waterman pen. So this is not theoretical knowledge. Back when I made printed circuit boards at home, I would deal with both etching and plating at home. Like any craft, it requires care and caution. Read, research, watch videos... and if you live in the area with someone who plates metal... call them over for a beer. As a final note: If the base metal of the cap is steel (a magnet sticks to it), you will need to copper plate it, then silver plate it. If it is brass, then you can usually go straight to silver.
    Last edited by addertooth; September 3rd, 2019 at 10:40 PM.

  18. The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to addertooth For This Useful Post:

    azkid (September 4th, 2019), Chrissy (September 4th, 2019)

  19. #14
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Dec 2013
    Location
    UK
    Posts
    517
    Thanks
    225
    Thanked 239 Times in 127 Posts
    Rep Power
    6

    Default Re: Silver plate replating. Has anyone had a go?

    I had this problem a few years ago. With a Diplomat Exellence A which had lost the plating off the clip. I got a quote for a new clip and it was £25 and a new cap was £30. I ended up going for a new cap and selling the pen soon after. Making a big fat loss on the pen of around £40 on a pen that I'd got into pristine condition.

    I think if I were you and I still liked the pen and I was keen on having one in better condition. I'd look for a better example and I would sell mine.

    The main issue is the barrier of entry is probably too great to warrant buying the kit yourself and there's no guarantee you will get a good result. Getting someone else to do it would probably end up with you paying over the odds.

    Making finding a better example the cheapest option.


  20. The Following User Says Thank You to top pen For This Useful Post:

    Chrissy (September 8th, 2019)

  21. #15
    Junior Member
    Join Date
    Sep 2019
    Location
    Southern Arizona
    Posts
    7
    Thanks
    0
    Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts
    Rep Power
    0

    Default Re: Silver plate replating. Has anyone had a go?

    Top Pen is spot on, provided you will only plate one pen the entirety of your life. Once you master plating, you can consider pens which are at a value price, which have "brassing/worn-plating" and add them to your collection. There is no shortage of pen owners who are scared of plating, and will dump their otherwise perfect pens at a bargain price. Some parts on pens are not readily removeable, such as bands on hard rubber or celluloid caps. Those parts can be replated without removal (but with the surrounding areas masked). But, if you are a 1 pen 1 users kind of guy, then this may not be viable for you. There are many people here who own more than 1 pen.

  22. #16
    FPG Donor ♕ Chrissy's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2013
    Location
    Berkshire UK
    Posts
    5,329
    Thanks
    2,455
    Thanked 4,422 Times in 1,705 Posts
    Rep Power
    12

    Default Re: Silver plate replating. Has anyone had a go?

    I decided it was too expensive for me to buy a silver replating kit, as I wouldn't ever have enough items to use it on and recoup the initial expense. Instead I bought a bottle of Antiquewax silver plating solution that isn't bad. It hasn't brought up the metal exactly like I thought it would and maybe it's because the cap and barrel could really be chrome plated rather than silver plated. In any case the silver plated part looks slightly less shiny than the original.

    I've bought a replacement pen that had a broken nib unit, but decent barrel and cap. At least the broken nib unit allowed me to work out how to remove the small shrouded nib and feed from a Sheaffer Lady type pen.

    I now have a hex key with a hole drilled in it that goes over the cartridge piercer, and unscrews a small circular disc that holds the feed in place. This also enabled me to establish that there are two different disc fittings that can be used inside these pens. The other version (in my excellent gold nib unit) needs a similar sized torx key with a hole drilled in it.
    Last edited by Chrissy; September 9th, 2019 at 12:12 AM.
    Regards, Chrissy | My Blog: inkyfountainpens

Bookmarks

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •