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    Default UK to USA: Import or Taxes?

    Do you have any experience buying a pen from the UK and having it sent to the US?

    Are there any import fees, taxes or other expenses incurred or does it simply arrive?

    Iíve bought a few pens from Japan and not had any issues but Iím considering a purchase from the UK and it would be my first.

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    Default Re: UK to USA: Import or Taxes?

    It's unlikely that you would have to pay anything but it depends on the price. I think the import level before you would be charged any import tax is $300. Below this level it would simply arrive.
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    Default Re: UK to USA: Import or Taxes?

    Rather better than going in the other direction...
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    Default Re: UK to USA: Import or Taxes?

    Quote Originally Posted by Deb View Post
    Rather better than going in the other direction...
    Absolutely right. Much better in fact. We can import £15 worth of goods before taxes and duties are added. Not much can even get mailed here for that.
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    Default Re: UK to USA: Import or Taxes?

    Yikes. The pen is just over $300. 🤔

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    Default Re: UK to USA: Import or Taxes?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mark Dillon View Post
    Yikes. The pen is just over $300. 🤔
    Presumably you'll only be liable for %s over the tax-free value?

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    Default Re: UK to USA: Import or Taxes?

    Why not ask the seller to declare the value on the shipping label as just under $300?

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    Default Re: UK to USA: Import or Taxes?

    Thanks to everyone for your replies.

    Iím going to reach out to the seller and begin a conversation.

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    Default Re: UK to USA: Import or Taxes?

    For him to break the law?

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    Default Re: UK to USA: Import or Taxes?

    I've bought two pens from Mr. Pen in the UK - - no taxes/duty in either case. Ditto my Conid Bulkfiller from Belgium and some Omas pens from Singapore. But . . . several years ago I bought a Nettuno Docet from a seller in Italy and did have to pay a small duty - - about $20.00, if I recall correctly, on a $500.00 pen.

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    I've purchased a few pens from Grandmia and never had to pay any taxes. Things might change if the US leaves the postal organization that I can't remember the name of.
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    Default Re: UK to USA: Import or Taxes?

    Quote Originally Posted by Linger View Post
    For him to break the law?
    Iím not comfortable to ask that but the price is just over 300 so Iím going to see if they are open to an offer just under.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robert View Post
    I've bought two pens from Mr. Pen in the UK - - no taxes/duty in either case. Ditto my Conid Bulkfiller from Belgium and some Omas pens from Singapore. But . . . several years ago I bought a Nettuno Docet from a seller in Italy and did have to pay a small duty - - about $20.00, if I recall correctly, on a $500.00 pen.
    Excellent!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mark Dillon View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Linger View Post
    For him to break the law?
    Iím not comfortable to ask that but the price is just over 300 so Iím going to see if they are open to an offer just under.
    I would guess that he is much more likely to agree to write the value as $300 than to agree to actually sell it to you for less. The value of an item does not necessarily have to exactly match the price paid for it. It can be what it is worth. However, what he writes will need to be the insurance value.
    That's not breaking the law.
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    Default Re: UK to USA: Import or Taxes?

    Well, I guess with vintage pens you do have a valid point: price does not have to equal value.

    However, declaring a lower value than the price received, in this context, which is the assessment of import duties and taxes due, seems to me a clear case of tax evasion (and not tax avoidance).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Linger View Post
    Well, I guess with vintage pens you do have a valid point: price does not have to equal value.

    However, declaring a lower value than the price received, in this context, which is the assessment of import duties and taxes due, seems to me a clear case of tax evasion (and not tax avoidance).
    Our C&E form doesn't ask for the price received. It asks for item value. Your C&E may be different. OP is buying an item from the UK, so our export rules and his import rules will apply.
    Our C&E doesn't especially care what someone might have paid for something. They just want a general assessment of value as written on the form by the sender. I have personally spoken to our C&E. They advised me that an assessment of value can be the original value, or the wholesale value, or any value that the sender wants to write on there for insurance purposes.
    If the OP said to me will you sell it to me for less than $300 or value it at $300, I would be happier to do the latter than the former.
    As an example let's say I sold a bottle of Parker Penman Sapphire ink for a high price. I can value it at the original price Parker sold it for, or the price I paid for it, or what I sold it for - if I want to insure it for that amount. Any of those could be my legal assessment of value. None of them is tax avoidance or tax evasion.
    Last edited by Chrissy; September 23rd, 2019 at 03:18 AM.
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    Default Re: UK to USA: Import or Taxes?

    Thanks Chrissie, for an extensive answer. I would still argue that the actual price paid is a very good indicator of the real/current/fair/etc. value of the good - in these circumstances. But if your customs officer accepts a lower amount for the assessment of taxes and duties due - go for it. Bytheway, that the declared value also holds validity for the insured value does make a case stonger (or weaker...).

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    Default Re: UK to USA: Import or Taxes?

    Quote Originally Posted by Linger View Post
    Thanks Chrissie, for an extensive answer. I would still argue that the actual price paid is a very good indicator of the real/current/fair/etc. value of the good - in these circumstances. But if your customs officer accepts a lower amount for the assessment of taxes and duties due - go for it. Bytheway, that the declared value also holds validity for the insured value does make a case stonger (or weaker...).
    Yes, insurance would always be a problem. However, many Japanese ebay sellers don't seem to have problems with buying ink bottles for a few yen, then selling them for a high price and sending them out uninsured.

    My conversation with C&E ended up with him advising me to "go on holiday with a big suitcase and bring it back full of stuff you bought while you were there." I always try to remember his advice.
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    Default Re: UK to USA: Import or Taxes?

    [QUOTE=Chrissy;273732]
    Quote Originally Posted by Linger View Post
    My conversation with C&E ended up with him advising me to "go on holiday with a big suitcase and bring it back full of stuff you bought while you were there." I always try to remember his advice.
    I have a family member who works in the airline industry and she is interested in going to Japan and said to give her a list of pens I want.

    Iím excited and scared at the same time.

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    Default Re: UK to USA: Import or Taxes?

    Donít forget that as the pen is export you can ask for the 20% Value Added Tax to be removed by filling in a form so thatíll bring the price down to $250.

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