Sheaffer Crest Masterpiece - Vac-Fil, 14k Gold Cap

[FredRydr]

This valuable and uncommon beauty was brought out for me from under a vendor's table at the 2019 Ohio Pen Show, and I succumbed. The Masterpiece sports solid gold.

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[calamus]

Is it alright for me to be envious?

In any event, if you would be so kind, could you post a photo of the nib perhaps? (So that I can become even more envious).

[Jon Szanto]

No way that barrel is solid gold. Nonetheless, I'm happy for you.

[FredRydr]

...could you post a photo of the nib perhaps?...

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I haven't written with it yet, but these nibs are very reliable and predictable. In any event, the pen was throughly restored by the top penmeister/plungermeister.

No way that barrel is solid gold. Nonetheless, I'm happy for you.

Um, I think you may be right about the barrel. Lesson learned!

[calamus]

I haven't written with it yet, but these nibs are very reliable and predictable. In any event, the pen was throughly restored by the top penmeister/plungermeister.

Yes indeed, the Triumph nib on my Sentinel writes like a dream.

Uh, who are you thinking is "the top penmeister/plungermeister"?

[FredRydr]

...Uh, who are you thinking is "the top penmeister/plungermeister"?

Ron Plungermeister Zorn. (I'm not counting Brad Torelli's amazing made-from-scratch plunger-fillers.)

[Chrissy]

...Uh, who are you thinking is "the top penmeister/plungermeister"?

Ron Plungermeister Zorn. (I'm not counting Brad Torelli's amazing made-from-scratch plunger-fillers.)

I knew I didn't need to ask.

[calamus]

Does anybody know what other nibs have an upturned tip? I only know of the Triumph nib, the old Macniven and Cameron Waverly dip pen nib, and of course the Pilot nib of the same name, but I imagine there must be others because it works so well. (Sorry to be skirting an off-topic tangent. Back in school I had a tendency to lead class discussions "off on a tangent," and was regularly brought to task for it.)

[FredRydr]

I only know of Waverly before Sheaffer.

[kirchh]

Nice pen, though a mismatch; there's no evidence the Crest Masterpiece was offered in any color other than black.

--Daniel

[calamus]

Nice pen, though a mismatch; there's no evidence the Crest Masterpiece was offered in any color other than black.

--Daniel

When you say there's no evidence, what you mean, of course, is that there is no evidence of which you are aware. Thus, you fail to prove that the pen is a mismatch; it's a non sequitur to say that because you are not aware of certain evidence it follows that the pen must be a mismatch. All you accomplish is to come across sounding as if you think that you are so expert that if you are not aware of evidence pertaining to a Sheaffer, it must not exist.

[kirchh]

Nice pen, though a mismatch; there's no evidence the Crest Masterpiece was offered in any color other than black.

--Daniel

When you say there's no evidence, what you mean, of course, is that there is no evidence of which you are aware. Thus, you fail to prove that the pen is a mismatch; it's a non sequitur to say that because you are not aware of certain evidence it follows that the pen must be a mismatch. All you accomplish is to come across sounding as if you think that you are so expert that if you are not aware of evidence pertaining to a Sheaffer, it must not exist.

I never stated that there was "proof" that the pen was a mismatch, not did I say "the pen must be a mismatch," nor did I say such a model "must not exist," so that's a straw man argument, and because I have not made that claim, there is no non-sequitur.

When you (repeatedly) fabricate someone else's position in order to attack it, you undermine the assumption that you are engaging in the discussion in good faith.

What I actually said -- as opposed to the made-up assertions you attributed to me -- is that all the available evidence weighs against the pen being authentic. Only someone arguing in bad faith would pretend that I said that I'd proven the pen is a mismatch, or that the pen must be a mismatch, or that the model does not exist, which are the fabricated claims you said I made.

If you're genuinely interested in this discussion, please contribute something to it. Are you aware of evidence that Sheaffer offered a model corresponding to the one shown here by Fred?

--Daniel

[calamus]

Nice pen, though a mismatch; there's no evidence the Crest Masterpiece was offered in any color other than black.

--Daniel

When you say there's no evidence, what you mean, of course, is that there is no evidence of which you are aware. Thus, you fail to prove that the pen is a mismatch; it's a non sequitur to say that because you are not aware of certain evidence it follows that the pen must be a mismatch. All you accomplish is to come across sounding as if you think that you are so expert that if you are not aware of evidence pertaining to a Sheaffer, it must not exist.

I never stated that there was "proof" that the pen was a mismatch, not did I say "the pen must be a mismatch," nor did I say such a model "must not exist," so that's a straw man argument, and because I have not made that claim, there is no non-sequitur.

When you (repeatedly) fabricate someone else's position in order to attack it, you undermine the assumption that you are engaging in the discussion in good faith.

What I actually said -- as opposed to the made-up assertions you attributed to me -- is that all the available evidence weighs against the pen being authentic. Only someone arguing in bad faith would pretend that I said that I'd proven the pen is a mismatch, or that the pen must be a mismatch, or that the model does not exist, which are the fabricated claims you said I made.

If you're genuinely interested in this discussion, please contribute something to it. Are you aware of evidence that Sheaffer offered a model corresponding to the one shown here by Fred?

--Daniel

You clearly asserted that it was a mismatch, and your stated reason for the assertion was that "there's no evidence the Crest Masterpiece was offered in any color other than black." I made no straw man argument, you're just quibbling and trying to duck the obvious implications of your words.

[kirchh]

Nice pen, though a mismatch; there's no evidence the Crest Masterpiece was offered in any color other than black.

--Daniel

When you say there's no evidence, what you mean, of course, is that there is no evidence of which you are aware. Thus, you fail to prove that the pen is a mismatch; it's a non sequitur to say that because you are not aware of certain evidence it follows that the pen must be a mismatch. All you accomplish is to come across sounding as if you think that you are so expert that if you are not aware of evidence pertaining to a Sheaffer, it must not exist.

I never stated that there was "proof" that the pen was a mismatch, not did I say "the pen must be a mismatch," nor did I say such a model "must not exist," so that's a straw man argument, and because I have not made that claim, there is no non-sequitur.

When you (repeatedly) fabricate someone else's position in order to attack it, you undermine the assumption that you are engaging in the discussion in good faith.

What I actually said -- as opposed to the made-up assertions you attributed to me -- is that all the available evidence weighs against the pen being authentic. Only someone arguing in bad faith would pretend that I said that I'd proven the pen is a mismatch, or that the pen must be a mismatch, or that the model does not exist, which are the fabricated claims you said I made.

If you're genuinely interested in this discussion, please contribute something to it. Are you aware of evidence that Sheaffer offered a model corresponding to the one shown here by Fred?

--Daniel

You clearly asserted that it was a mismatch, and your stated reason for the assertion was that "there's no evidence the Crest Masterpiece was offered in any color other than black." I made no straw man argument, you're just quibbling and trying to duck the obvious implications of your words.

Incorrect. I offered my expert opinion and I clearly explained my reasoning. The fabricated assertions you attributed to me about “proof” are simply straw man arguments and are void. Your evasion and failure to retract your falsified claims are telling.

Can you contribute to the discussion? Do you have any evidence that Sheaffer offered a model as shown by Fred?

—Daniel

[FredRydr]

Too bad you haven't the evidence. But here it is. I like it that Sheaffer has a history of producing such special pens that keep the experts guessing.

Thank you for the compliment.

[kirchh]

Too bad you haven't the evidence. But here it is. I like it that Sheaffer has a history of producing such special pens that keep the experts guessing.

The existence of a cap and barrel that fit together isn't evidence that the cap and barrel were originally sold as a pen, of course.

Crest Masterpiece pens were $50, and had a 5000 barrel imprint. Does your barrel have that imprint?

--Daniel

[FredRydr]

...Does your barrel have that imprint? --Daniel

Nope. Take a lesson on the issue from Messrs. Isaacson and Wooten: http://fountainpenboard.com/forum/in...ce-frankenpen/ Therefore, I'm not concerned, so you needn't worry about it on my behalf.

[kirchh]

...Does your barrel have that imprint? --Daniel

Nope. Take a lesson on the issue from Messrs. Isaacson and Wooten: http://fountainpenboard.com/forum/in...ce-frankenpen/ Therefore, I'm not concerned, so you needn't worry about it on my behalf.

As the posts in that thread make clear, there is no evidence your cap and barrel were originally sold together as a pen. Absent any evidence for the correctness or originality of a pen that could trivially be created from a cap and barrel from two different pens, the rational conclusion provided by Occam's Razor is clear.

If your pen has no "5000" imprint on the barrel, that possible piece of confirming evidence is not present, so as it stands there's still no evidence your cap and barrel belong together.

I can't see the whole pen from all angles; where's the White Dot?

I'm not concerned, so you needn't worry about it on my behalf.

I'm not worried at all. I'm providing information about your Sheaffer pen. As I noted, and as the thread you linked also says, there's no evidence your pen is anything other than the combination of the cap from one model with the barrel from another. That's not something to be worried about; it's just information which should be of interest.

--Daniel

[sjssf]

Just beautiful. You scored.

[calamus]

Here's a gold Sheaffer Crest Masterpiece that Teri has for sale. https://www.peytonstreetpens.com/she...-restored.html