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    Default Sheaffer Crest Masterpiece - Vac-Fill, 14k Gold Cap

    This valuable and uncommon beauty was brought out for me from under a vendor's table at the 2019 Ohio Pen Show, and I succumbed. The Masterpiece sports solid gold.

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    Default Re: Sheaffer Crest Masterpiece - Vac-Fil, 14k Gold Cap

    Is it alright for me to be envious?

    In any event, if you would be so kind, could you post a photo of the nib perhaps? (So that I can become even more envious).
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    Default Re: Sheaffer Crest Masterpiece - Vac-Fil, 14k Gold Cap

    No way that barrel is solid gold. Nonetheless, I'm happy for you.
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    Default Re: Sheaffer Crest Masterpiece - Vac-Fil, 14k Gold Cap

    Quote Originally Posted by calamus View Post
    ...could you post a photo of the nib perhaps?...
    DF575C4B-0AED-4C9D-B648-E8F8982ECCA3-1160-000000714E38C129.JPG

    I haven't written with it yet, but these nibs are very reliable and predictable. In any event, the pen was throughly restored by the top penmeister/plungermeister.

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    No way that barrel is solid gold. Nonetheless, I'm happy for you.
    Um, I think you may be right about the barrel. Lesson learned!
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    Default Re: Sheaffer Crest Masterpiece - Vac-Fil, 14k Gold Cap

    Quote Originally Posted by FredRydr View Post

    I haven't written with it yet, but these nibs are very reliable and predictable. In any event, the pen was throughly restored by the top penmeister/plungermeister.
    Yes indeed, the Triumph nib on my Sentinel writes like a dream.

    Uh, who are you thinking is "the top penmeister/plungermeister"?
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    Quote Originally Posted by calamus View Post
    ...Uh, who are you thinking is "the top penmeister/plungermeister"?
    Ron Plungermeister Zorn. (I'm not counting Brad Torelli's amazing made-from-scratch plunger-fillers.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by FredRydr View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by calamus View Post
    ...Uh, who are you thinking is "the top penmeister/plungermeister"?
    Ron Plungermeister Zorn. (I'm not counting Brad Torelli's amazing made-from-scratch plunger-fillers.)
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    Default Re: Sheaffer Crest Masterpiece - Vac-Fil, 14k Gold Cap

    Does anybody know what other nibs have an upturned tip? I only know of the Triumph nib, the old Macniven and Cameron Waverly dip pen nib, and of course the Pilot nib of the same name, but I imagine there must be others because it works so well. (Sorry to be skirting an off-topic tangent. Back in school I had a tendency to lead class discussions "off on a tangent," and was regularly brought to task for it.)
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    Default Re: Sheaffer Crest Masterpiece - Vac-Fil, 14k Gold Cap

    I only know of Waverly before Sheaffer.

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    Default Re: Sheaffer Crest Masterpiece - Vac-Fil, 14k Gold Cap

    Nice pen, though a mismatch; there's no evidence the Crest Masterpiece was offered in any color other than black.

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    Default Re: Sheaffer Crest Masterpiece - Vac-Fil, 14k Gold Cap

    Too bad you haven't the evidence. But here it is. I like it that Sheaffer has a history of producing such special pens that keep the experts guessing.

    Thank you for the compliment.

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    Default Re: Sheaffer Crest Masterpiece - Vac-Fil, 14k Gold Cap

    Just beautiful. You scored.

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    Default Re: Sheaffer Crest Masterpiece - Vac-Fil, 14k Gold Cap

    Here's a gold Sheaffer Crest Masterpiece that Teri has for sale. https://www.peytonstreetpens.com/she...-restored.html

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    Default Re: Sheaffer Crest Masterpiece - Vac-Fil, 14k Gold Cap

    Quote Originally Posted by FredRydr View Post
    Too bad you haven't the evidence. But here it is. I like it that Sheaffer has a history of producing such special pens that keep the experts guessing.
    The existence of a cap and barrel that fit together isn't evidence that the cap and barrel were originally sold as a pen, of course.

    Crest Masterpiece pens were $50, and had a 5000 barrel imprint. Does your barrel have that imprint?

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    Quote Originally Posted by kirchh View Post
    ...Does your barrel have that imprint? --Daniel
    Nope. Take a lesson on the issue from Messrs. Isaacson and Wooten: http://fountainpenboard.com/forum/in...ce-frankenpen/ Therefore, I'm not concerned, so you needn't worry about it on my behalf.

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    Default Re: Sheaffer Crest Masterpiece - Vac-Fil, 14k Gold Cap

    Quote Originally Posted by FredRydr View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by kirchh View Post
    ...Does your barrel have that imprint? --Daniel
    Nope. Take a lesson on the issue from Messrs. Isaacson and Wooten: http://fountainpenboard.com/forum/in...ce-frankenpen/ Therefore, I'm not concerned, so you needn't worry about it on my behalf.
    As the posts in that thread make clear, there is no evidence your cap and barrel were originally sold together as a pen. Absent any evidence for the correctness or originality of a pen that could trivially be created from a cap and barrel from two different pens, the rational conclusion provided by Occam's Razor is clear.

    If your pen has no "5000" imprint on the barrel, that possible piece of confirming evidence is not present, so as it stands there's still no evidence your cap and barrel belong together.

    I can't see the whole pen from all angles; where's the White Dot?

    I'm not concerned, so you needn't worry about it on my behalf.
    I'm not worried at all. I'm providing information about your Sheaffer pen. As I noted, and as the thread you linked also says, there's no evidence your pen is anything other than the combination of the cap from one model with the barrel from another. That's not something to be worried about; it's just information which should be of interest.

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    Default Re: Sheaffer Crest Masterpiece - Vac-Fil, 14k Gold Cap

    Daniel,

    You ignore the essence of that discussion. You are not providing me with information, but rather you are advancing your own...oh never mind. Daniel, just chill, man. Trying in vain to score points on minutia gets boring in a forum like this.

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    Default Re: Sheaffer Crest Masterpiece - Vac-Fil, 14k Gold Cap

    Quote Originally Posted by FredRydr View Post
    Daniel,

    You ignore the essence of that discussion. You are not providing me with information, but rather you are advancing your own...oh never mind. Daniel, just chill, man. Trying in vain to score points on minutia gets boring in a forum like this.
    What do you consider to be the essence of that discussion as it bears on the question of the authenticity of your pen?

    I'm not trying to score points. I'm providing information about the likely authenticity of your pen. There is no evidence that your cap and barrel were offered as a pen model by Sheaffer, and all the available evidence weighs against it. Those are just facts, which don't seem to be in dispute.

    Where's the White Dot on your pen?

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    Default Re: Sheaffer Crest Masterpiece - Vac-Fil, 14k Gold Cap

    Quote Originally Posted by FredRydr View Post
    Daniel,

    You ignore the essence of that discussion. You are not providing me with information, but rather you are advancing your own...oh never mind. Daniel, just chill, man. Trying in vain to score points on minutia gets boring in a forum like this.
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    Default Re: Sheaffer Crest Masterpiece - Vac-Fil, 14k Gold Cap

    Beautiful day indeed. Recollecting that both of you have carped at me in the past, I am regaled and amused.

    The sun is shining! I would like to know if the pen barrel has 5000 on it. Sometimes it is difficult to find the parts to restore a pen to a an original configuration.

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