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    Default Sheaffer options

    Looking to add a working Sheaffer to my very small ensemble of pens. Need some advice though.

    Over the last 5 years I think I've had 5 Sheaffer pens cross my desk. My fathers Statesman (which is not going to be used), a Compact I (fun little pen), a Sentinel that did not post well enough to use, a snorkel of some kind that was sold to fund something else, and a Balance that I recently returned as it came with an undisclosed lip crack.

    Here are some observations based on this meagre experience.

    1. Like the triumph style conical nibs; especially the ones in two-tone, though this is not essential.
    2. Dislike inlaid nibs. Mainly because my usual writing style is forefinger up, which places the finger actually on part of the nib.
    3. Prefer touchdown fillers to snorkels, though this is not a deal-breaker.
    4. Never tried a vac-fill/plunger or whatever they are called.
    5. Not really interested in lever fillers or cartridge systems.
    6. Nib - a stub would be nice (in my dreams) but anything from accountant to broad works (assuming that medium and broad are amenable to being stubbed).
    7. Metal cap, or at least a metal cap lip, as my Balance experience suggests some material may be prone to cap lip cracks.
    8. Colour is not too important.
    9. Would prefer not to go with a TM model.



    There is a lot of information out there, an awful lot in fact. It is a bit bewildering to me, so I was hoping for a little help in narrowing my search.

    As always, thanks in advance.



    ps. Some clues to pricing and where to buy, outside of eBay, would also be appreciated.
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    Default Re: Sheaffer options

    Try a Sovereign II. It is a lever filler with a two-tone conical turned-up nib. The cap has a metal lip. It is not a thin model. Gold vermeil furniture. Mine is a superb writer.

    Valiant made in 1941 - 1945. Lever filler and a two-tone standard up-turned nib. Has a metal band on the cap but not smack-dab on the lip. Gold vermeil furniture. Not thin. Military clip. Mine is a superb writer.

    Vigilant made in 1941 - 1945. Same as the Valiant but a little thinner. Nib not turned up.

    The gold vermeil will tarnish in time. The underlying silver atoms migrate through the gold and oxidize black. This can be cool; the pen will eventually turn all black and become a stealth pen.

    I use these pens all the time. In my opinion, no other pens need apply for space in my pen cup.
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    For 200 USD you can pick up an expertly restored OS vac-fill Sentinel with a two-tone triumph nib. Your grandchildren will still be writing with it.
    Vintage. Cursive italic. Iron gall.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paddler View Post
    Try a Sovereign II. It is a lever filler with a two-tone conical turned-up nib. The cap has a metal lip. It is not a thin model. Gold vermeil furniture. Mine is a superb writer.

    Valiant made in 1941 - 1945. Lever filler and a two-tone standard up-turned nib. Has a metal band on the cap but not smack-dab on the lip. Gold vermeil furniture. Not thin. Military clip. Mine is a superb writer.

    Vigilant made in 1941 - 1945. Same as the Valiant but a little thinner. Nib not turned up.

    The gold vermeil will tarnish in time. The underlying silver atoms migrate through the gold and oxidize black. This can be cool; the pen will eventually turn all black and become a stealth pen.

    I use these pens all the time. In my opinion, no other pens need apply for space in my pen cup.

    Thanks for the suggestions, appreciate it. Will look into Sovereign II. Lever filler is out, as is any cap that does not have metal at the lip.


    For 200 USD you can pick up an expertly restored OS vac-fill Sentinel with a two-tone triumph nib. Your grandchildren will still be writing with it.
    I've not seen one, at that price or any other. Links? (My google-fu is not great today)



    I was thinking a Clipper may work? So difficult without handling them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Empty_of_Clouds View Post
    For 200 USD you can pick up an expertly restored OS vac-fill Sentinel with a two-tone triumph nib. Your grandchildren will still be writing with it.
    I've not seen one, at that price or any other. Links? (My google-fu is not great today)
    Contact Gerry Berg. He will hook you up.
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    Hmm, I cannot find any info on Gerry Berg. Could someone clue me in please?

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    Easy task.
    Sheaffer's Imperial II

    Sheaffer's Imperial II by C.M.Z, auf Flickr

    OK -Like the triumph style conical nibs; especially the ones in two-tone, though this is not essential.
    OK -Dislike inlaid nibs. Mainly because my usual writing style is forefinger up, which places the finger actually on part of the nib.
    OK -Prefer touchdown fillers to snorkels, though this is not a deal-breaker.
    OK -Never tried a vac-fill/plunger or whatever they are called.
    OK -Not really interested in lever fillers or cartridge systems.
    OK -Nib - a stub would be nice (in my dreams) but anything from accountant to broad works (assuming that medium and broad are amenable to being stubbed).
    OK -Metal cap, or at least a metal cap lip, as my Balance experience suggests some material may be prone to cap lip cracks.
    OK -Would prefer not to go with a TM model.

    C.
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    Default Re: Sheaffer options

    well...fact is that it fits all your criterias. I am sorry that I could not help.
    c.

    ps: I think that this is one great looking pen.
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    Looks like the Clipper and Sentinel are the only realistic options. A Crest is just out of the question at the prices people want these days.

    The trick is finding one in good condition - like Christof's picture - which frankly I don't have a great deal of confidence in achieving.

    I did find one on the Bay but the seller wanted to charge USD$37 for shipping and was disinterested in exploring other options in order to facilitate the sale. USPS 1st Class Int. is around USD$15, a significant difference. Of course if anyone in the US was able to act as a go-between I wouldn't have haggle over such shipping issues, but there it is.
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    Did you not have any luck with Gerry Berg? He has a sterling reputation, with many people here, myself included, who will vouch for him.

    I would much prefer to deal with someone like Gerry than random ebay sellers.

    The other option would be Ron Zorn; he has some beautiful Sheaffers up at the moment: http://www.mainstreetpens.com/pensales.htm
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    Quote Originally Posted by Empty_of_Clouds View Post
    USPS 1st Class Int. is around USD$15, a significant difference.
    I recently sent two posters in a mailing tube to AU and it was $23.00. I don't believe your $15 price is correct for parcels, possibly only letter mail. If one wants to add insurance - which a seller certainly would want to do - it may cause an even higher price. I did everything I could to keep the price low for the person I was sending to, but in the end one has to either pay the price or simply not send it, as it was nothing within my power to control.
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    Quote Originally Posted by silverlifter View Post

    The other option would be Ron Zorn; he has some beautiful Sheaffers up at the moment: http://www.mainstreetpens.com/pensales.htm
    If I hadn't blown my pen budget I would have bought the Triumph Crest he is selling....

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    The other option would be Ron Zorn; he has some beautiful Sheaffers up at the moment: http://www.mainstreetpens.com/pensales.htm
    If I hadn't blown my pen budget I would have bought the Triumph Crest he is selling....
    The golden brown one? That's a very handsome pen. I think you should find some money somewhere...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jon Szanto View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Empty_of_Clouds View Post
    USPS 1st Class Int. is around USD$15, a significant difference.
    I recently sent two posters in a mailing tube to AU and it was $23.00. I don't believe your $15 price is correct for parcels, possibly only letter mail. If one wants to add insurance - which a seller certainly would want to do - it may cause an even higher price. I did everything I could to keep the price low for the person I was sending to, but in the end one has to either pay the price or simply not send it, as it was nothing within my power to control.

    Well, the last 3 items that got sent from the US to NZ via this service cost USD$14.50 each, so I'm not just making this up. They were also small parcels, not letters. Would there be a difference from state to state?


    Edit: Interestingly enough, I recently sent pens to two people in the US and the shipping cost me around USD $11 for each. In boxes, not padded letters.
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    Quote Originally Posted by carlos.q View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by silverlifter View Post

    The other option would be Ron Zorn; he has some beautiful Sheaffers up at the moment: http://www.mainstreetpens.com/pensales.htm
    If I hadn't blown my pen budget I would have bought the Triumph Crest he is selling....
    I looked at that one too, but the cap is not for me (I prefer the irregular lines version). Otherwise...
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    Quote Originally Posted by silverlifter View Post
    Did you not have any luck with Gerry Berg? He has a sterling reputation, with many people here, myself included, who will vouch for him.

    I would much prefer to deal with someone like Gerry than random ebay sellers.

    The other option would be Ron Zorn; he has some beautiful Sheaffers up at the moment: http://www.mainstreetpens.com/pensales.htm


    As noted earlier, I don't know anything about Gerry Berg, beyond the reputation people mention here (and I am not knocking that). Is it usual to just email and ask for stuff? Normal etiquette? I have very little experience of contact with pen people outside of eBay.
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    As to the shipping/postage, I just mentioned what it cost me. I doubt it matters state-to-state, as this is an international issue. Mayhaps it also had something to do with me sending to AU rather than NZ, which would be nice for your side of things.
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    Indeed it would, though it would be surprising if shipping to AU was higher, as they are a the bigger country/economy. Curious either way.
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