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    “We reach truth only once we move past language.”

    Not to hijack, but what exactly does this mean?
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    I didn't say books were a waste. I teach them for a living.

    I said that language is not access to deepest truths of our selves. I am trying to be spiritual about "actual selves" (the phrase in the question of the OP). The word is not the thing itself. And these posts are never or true selves. By definition. Again, no one here knows me in any true or significant way. Not even close. All others can know of me here is what this verbiage suggests. Revelation is elsewhere.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VertOlive View Post
    “We reach truth only once we move past language.”

    Not to hijack, but what exactly does this mean?
    I was trying to approximate the meaning of poem #1 of the Tao Te Ching.

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    “We reach truth only once we move past language.”

    Not to hijack, but what exactly does this mean?
    I was trying to approximate the meaning of poem #1 of the Tao Te Ching.

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    And for those who have suggested that "personalty" is what is meant by "actual self," well, I disagree with that too. Personality is the mask of gestures and behaviors that we wear to the world. It is a false self, variable according to how others perceive and judge us (like who is funny or mean or not). Who we really are lies far below "personality."

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    Quote Originally Posted by VertOlive View Post
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    “We reach truth only once we move past language.”

    Not to hijack, but what exactly does this mean?
    I was trying to approximate the meaning of poem #1 of the Tao Te Ching.

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    The trajectory that appears in my mind now would require an entirely new post...
    Fair enough. But I keep quoting the phrase in the OP. I just see it differently. I am still right on topic (are internet posts accurate representations of our "actual selves"?). I simply am answering, emphatically, "no."

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    This turns my mind to the topic of avatars. Isn’t it interesting that we use them as well as a screen name? They must reveal something of the writer in addition to their words but to me they seem far more mysterious.
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    Avatar? Yeah, I find them distracting. And I don't use them. I have no idea what they mean. I just try to ignore them. The internet is so impersonal to me that I just don't feel like bothering.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TSherbs View Post
    I keep quoting the phrase in the OP. I just see it differently.
    This accounts for the majority of our disconnect: I did not read his phrase with anywhere near the depth that you have. I find it inconceivable to contemplate the deepest inner reaches of an individual from this kind of dialog. I took the implication to be more straight-forward: does the person being presented through their use of language as a medium match, in general, the person you would meet and come to know in real space/time.

    Thus endeth my input to this discussion.
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    and that when Truth and Error have fair Play, the former is always an overmatch for the latter."

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    Bow tie = humor but one needs to know more of the story than presented though fairly easy guessed in general terms

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    What can I say. I don't find bow ties funny.

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    Seems this thread has died, but to put in a bit of input since I came here from reading another thread, I would say these are murky waters. As Jon interprets it I can surely see an argument for taking people at face value when you only have text blocks to go off of. However, I would say from my personal experience, on these forums and elsewhere, that I am very out of touch with who I am from year to year. I can say there are trends, I am subject to paranoid ideas at times, I get defensive easily, and I have tried to grow from that. Still quite young in life I suppose it is to be expected that I have clashed with myself and others in my attempts to find myself while interacting with the world. Is this medium a good way to get to know me? Perhaps, but like a photograph it seems to me that this a window in time. A snapshot. A year from now or ten, life events and lessons may well change me further, for better or worse.

    In that regard, I must apologize to anyone I’ve talked to here for who I have been at times before now. I often am a big critic of myself in the past. It’s not that I mean to absolve myself of the perceptions I have made, but reflect we are changing and complex beings, if we TRY to adjust to the tides of life. I don’t keep up with the forums well, but I do hope if anyone here has been offended by my online persona, that I can change that. I ultimately think personal growth is an important thing we have only started to study in regards to my generation and those younger than me since we live so much of our lives on the internet. We are developing on forums and in social media of all sorts, right before the eyes of the world.
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    I highly doubt I would meet people's expectations. I type the queen's english, but speak redneck.

    Although I can be blunt to the point of being considered gruff, I'm courteous and considerate - up to a point. I call bullshit when I see or hear it, and have no problem telling rude and obnoxious people to go fuck themselves.

    For some reason, I think Jon Szanto and I would get along smashingly! Now that I've retired, I guess I'll have to make an effort to meet him in person.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dneal View Post
    For some reason, I think Jon Szanto and I would get along smashingly! Now that I've retired, I guess I'll have to make an effort to meet him in person.
    Go fuck yourself.



    (I'd look forward to the opportunity to meet - we'll stay in touch!)
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