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    Well I don't know if you can't take a hint chaps, or you're being deliberately obtuse, so let me put it this way:

    If you haven't tried to do a review yourself, and you won't do it because making such an effort is beyond you, I for one would much appreciate it if you'd reduce your level of criticism of those that have. It's very easy to wade in and pick at all the things you think are wrong, but doing it like this is not constructive, and it does come across as pretty ungrateful.
    The opposite argument to this point of view is that if you have a Youtube channel then please have something useful to say. If, for eaxmple, you say that this is a review of the Visconti London Fog dont spend most of your time talking about the packaging.

    I have no idea Grainweevil if you are a youtube pen reviewer or not so i dont know if you are qualified to make the above comment but if a vid maker doesnt like having comments made on their on Youtube vid then they can switch off commenting or make a better product.


    With regards to commenting on here about Pen Reviews then you will see that this is the purpose of the thread and the idea that we are only qualified to comment if we have made a vid ourselves is just plain nuts. We are being asked to comment on pen review vids, that is all.

    Ungrateful or not.

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    I occasionally look for pen reviews for specific pens on YouTube and if SBRE Brown has made a video review of that particular pen then his review is the one I select to read first.
    I find his reviews are direct, to the point, not slowly meandering or talking overly long about the box.
    When I watch a review for a FP I want to see the pen with it's cap off quite early on otherwise I start pressing the >> button.
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    Absolutely.

    I enjoy the 'how to' videos, for everything, not just pen reviews. I like to read expert opinion on techniques and a quality opinion without all the waffle.

    The idea that we are not qualified to comment because we havent produced a vid ourselves is just potty. I can have an opinion on a TV program or a movie or an ink review, none of which I have produced. My thoughts may be of no interest to anyone else but me but thats a different discussion.



    I seen pen reviews that just gloss over a huge step down between the barrel and section, no comment as to how it feels in your hand, there was another review of a modern Duofold that had more than half its time talking about the fabric covering the accompanying notebook and didnt include a single word as to how the pen actually works.

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    Quote Originally Posted by grainweevil View Post
    Well I don't know if you can't take a hint chaps, or you're being deliberately obtuse, so let me put it this way:

    If you haven't tried to do a review yourself, and you won't do it because making such an effort is beyond you, I for one would much appreciate it if you'd reduce your level of criticism of those that have. It's very easy to wade in and pick at all the things you think are wrong, but doing it like this is not constructive, and it does come across as pretty ungrateful.
    The opposite argument to this point of view is that if you have a Youtube channel then please have something useful to say. If, for eaxmple, you say that this is a review of the Visconti London Fog dont spend most of your time talking about the packaging.

    I have no idea Grainweevil if you are a youtube pen reviewer or not so i dont know if you are qualified to make the above comment but if a vid maker doesnt like having comments made on their on Youtube vid then they can switch off commenting or make a better product.


    With regards to commenting on here about Pen Reviews then you will see that this is the purpose of the thread and the idea that we are only qualified to comment if we have made a vid ourselves is just plain nuts. We are being asked to comment on pen review vids, that is all.

    Ungrateful or not.
    I don't know if it's the case, but perhaps some people like to know all about the packaging? I don't, clearly you don't, but in that case this reviewer's style is not for us and we can look elsewhere. I did not suggest you don't comment at all, that would indeed, as you say, be nuts. Just that you make allowance for the fact there's a person who has at least made an effort who is on the receiving end of them and maybe rein them in a little bit.

    Anyway, rest assured I'm not a pen reviewer. I have done reviews on the internet in another field though, and am cognisant of the amount of time and effort it takes to do a halfway reasonable one. Looking back I'm certain I couldn't do it again. This is not my fight, so I'll give it up now and you may do as you will, unmolested.
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    Quote Originally Posted by grainweevil View Post
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    Well I don't know if you can't take a hint chaps, or you're being deliberately obtuse, so let me put it this way:

    If you haven't tried to do a review yourself, and you won't do it because making such an effort is beyond you, I for one would much appreciate it if you'd reduce your level of criticism of those that have. It's very easy to wade in and pick at all the things you think are wrong, but doing it like this is not constructive, and it does come across as pretty ungrateful.

    I am not going to labour the point but your "If you haven't tried to do a review yourself, and you won't do it because making such an effort is beyond you, I for one would much appreciate it if you'd reduce your level of criticism of those that have."

    The opposite argument to this point of view is that if you have a Youtube channel then please have something useful to say. If, for eaxmple, you say that this is a review of the Visconti London Fog dont spend most of your time talking about the packaging.

    I have no idea Grainweevil if you are a youtube pen reviewer or not so i dont know if you are qualified to make the above comment but if a vid maker doesnt like having comments made on their on Youtube vid then they can switch off commenting or make a better product.


    With regards to commenting on here about Pen Reviews then you will see that this is the purpose of the thread and the idea that we are only qualified to comment if we have made a vid ourselves is just plain nuts. We are being asked to comment on pen review vids, that is all.

    Ungrateful or not.
    I don't know if it's the case, but perhaps some people like to know all about the packaging? I don't, clearly you don't, but in that case this reviewer's style is not for us and we can look elsewhere. I did not suggest you don't comment at all, that would indeed, as you say, be nuts. Just that you make allowance for the fact there's a person who has at least made an effort who is on the receiving end of them and maybe rein them in a little bit.

    Anyway, rest assured I'm not a pen reviewer. I have done reviews on the internet in another field though, and am cognisant of the amount of time and effort it takes to do a halfway reasonable one. Looking back I'm certain I couldn't do it again. This is not my fight, so I'll give it up now and you may do as you will, unmolested.

    I am not going to labour the point but your If you haven't tried to do a review yourself, and you won't do it because making such an effort is beyond you, I for one would much appreciate it if you'd reduce your level of criticism of those that have suggests not to make a critcism unless you are also a pen reviewer.

    Not an issue, I think that the good thing about youtube pen reviews is that there is plenty of choice and the ones that are not so good are easily avoided.

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    If "reduce your level of criticism" equates to "stop your criticism" in your understanding, then yes, you are absolutely correct on your point. It's not what I meant tho'.
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    The 'unboxing' of pens in reviews are simply a waste.

    It's like going to the doctor for a foot problem and he spends the first 15 minutes of your 20 minute appointment talking about the pattern in your argyle socks and how the shoelaces match the welt of your shoes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sgphoto View Post
    The 'unboxing' of pens in reviews are simply a waste.

    It's like going to the doctor for a foot problem and he spends the first 15 minutes of your 20 minute appointment talking about the pattern in your argyle socks and how the shoelaces match the welt of your shoes.
    That's very funny but true.
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    Probably it is a convenient way to extend video length so it can be monetized. I have seen way too many videos that do this, trying to fit a 5 minute video into 20 minutes.

    Still, for me, packaging is worth a brief mention. About 15 seconds devoted to the box is more than enough.

    The best videos are ones which focus on providing a nice serving of good content first and foremost.

    I've made plenty of videos. Almost none with me in it. The one I did of me talking was insanely time consuming and difficult. So I definitely respect those that do this on the regular.

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    Quote Originally Posted by azkid View Post
    Probably it is a convenient way to extend video length so it can be monetized. I have seen way too many videos that do this, trying to fit a 5 minute video into 20 minutes.

    Still, for me, packaging is worth a brief mention. About 15 seconds devoted to the box is more than enough.

    The best videos are ones which focus on providing a nice serving of good content first and foremost.

    I've made plenty of videos. Almost none with me in it. The one I did of me talking was insanely time consuming and difficult. So I definitely respect those that do this on the regular.
    15 seconds of "packing talk" is plenty. What I have learned from packaging talk is the more expensive the packaging, boxing, doo-dads, and gee-gaws, the more expensive the pen is but without adding anything to the pen itself. Montegrappa's hideous 'special edition' pens often fall into this category of 'take an ugly pen and wrap it in BS.' Those who talk about packaging endlessly are typically the worst reviewers.

    As to monetizing, I have ad blockers and other extensions that basically keep away fluff.
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    One of the things most lacking in the videos is showing how the nibs differ and the angle to the paper to best use that nib.



    You'll also notice that many reviewers have absolutely abysmal handwriting so you can't tell anything about the writing qualities of the nib/pen. If they can't write, there's no harm in having someone else do the writing.

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    In the "can't write" department... What most annoys me is someone "evaluating" a fountain pen who does not know how to write with a fountain pen. I see so many of these people writing as if they were using a ball point. I'm sure most learned to write with ball points, since most are of such an age. I learned to write with a fountain pen, and it's a whole different way of holding and moving the pen. Why would I trust your "writing sample" when you don't know how to write with a fountain pen? These are painful for me to watch, so I've mostly stopped.

    Frankly, I can't imagine what joy there is in using a fountain pen if you don't know how to use it!
    The reason behind this is not that they do not know how to hold a fountain pen, but rather that they are trying to write round a camera and/or light tripod. It is occasionally mentioned. One of them (either Figboot or Penhabbit) did try showing the pen being used from the side, but it did not last long before they stopped - don't know if it was awkward to edit in or if they did not get the viewer feedback they were expecting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sgphoto View Post
    One of the things most lacking in the videos is showing how the nibs differ and the angle to the paper to best use that nib.



    You'll also notice that many reviewers have absolutely abysmal handwriting so you can't tell anything about the writing qualities of the nib/pen. If they can't write, there's no harm in having someone else do the writing.

    _____________

    In the "can't write" department... What most annoys me is someone "evaluating" a fountain pen who does not know how to write with a fountain pen. I see so many of these people writing as if they were using a ball point. I'm sure most learned to write with ball points, since most are of such an age. I learned to write with a fountain pen, and it's a whole different way of holding and moving the pen. Why would I trust your "writing sample" when you don't know how to write with a fountain pen? These are painful for me to watch, so I've mostly stopped.

    Frankly, I can't imagine what joy there is in using a fountain pen if you don't know how to use it!
    The reason behind this is not that they do not know how to hold a fountain pen, but rather that they are trying to write round a camera and/or light tripod. It is occasionally mentioned. One of them (either Figboot or Penhabbit) did try showing the pen being used from the side, but it did not last long before they stopped - don't know if it was awkward to edit in or if they did not get the viewer feedback they were expecting.
    No, it is NOT about writing while hugging a tripod. I know how to hold and write with a fountain pen. I instantly recognize people who do NOT know.

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    Default Re: Pen Reviewers, Handwriting, and Artistry on YouTube

    Quote Originally Posted by azkid View Post
    Probably it is a convenient way to extend video length so it can be monetized. I have seen way too many videos that do this, trying to fit a 5 minute video into 20 minutes.

    Still, for me, packaging is worth a brief mention. About 15 seconds devoted to the box is more than enough.

    The best videos are ones which focus on providing a nice serving of good content first and foremost.

    I've made plenty of videos. Almost none with me in it. The one I did of me talking was insanely time consuming and difficult. So I definitely respect those that do this on the regular.
    Yeah, I always skip that first part. I have no time for it. I don't even like the parts-of-the-pen stuff. I just want to see it next to other pens and then see it at work in someone's hand. Just use it.

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    No, it is NOT about writing while hugging a tripod. I know how to hold and write with a fountain pen. I instantly recognize people who do NOT know.
    Are you so so sure - because I call BS on you over that. Not sure which reviewer you are saying can not hold a fountain pen (and do you mean classical tripod, reverse tripod, 4 finger, cross top hold, cross under hold, ...)

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    No, it is NOT about writing while hugging a tripod. I know how to hold and write with a fountain pen. I instantly recognize people who do NOT know.
    Are you so so sure - because I call BS on you over that. Not sure which reviewer you are saying can not hold a fountain pen (and do you mean classical tripod, reverse tripod, 4 finger, cross top hold, cross under hold, ...)
    Yes, I am so sure, as sure as Sister Thomas Bernard taught me. I also recognize "BS" when I see it. And YOU brought up the tripod so stop playing games!

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    No, it is NOT about writing while hugging a tripod. I know how to hold and write with a fountain pen. I instantly recognize people who do NOT know.
    Are you so so sure - because I call BS on you over that. Not sure which reviewer you are saying can not hold a fountain pen (and do you mean classical tripod, reverse tripod, 4 finger, cross top hold, cross under hold, ...)

    Yes, I am so sure, as sure as Sister Thomas Bernard taught me. I also recognize "BS" when I see it. And YOU brought up the tripod so stop playing games!
    There is nothing to stop a reviewer handwriting a half page of script off camera, then produced as evidence, how the pen works for me is the Number 1 criteria but I dont actually need to see the ink coming out of the nib, if that is an insurmountable problem.

    As much as I may like some reviewers and their good knowledge they just dont have a clue when it comes to making a nib work, especially on obliques which is my personal favourite.

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    I'm left-handed. My handwriting and use of a nib is never going to be like 95+ or so % of the people in the world, not to mention pen reviewers. Just like the weight of the pen in hand, and other things that simply can't be captured, I just try to get a basic idea from any review, print or vid, of how it writes. It is possible to expect too much from another person's viewpoint and presentation.

    To expect calligraphic excellence from a video review would be pretty funny, since I'd never be able to replicate it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brilliant Bill View Post
    No, it is NOT about writing while hugging a tripod. I know how to hold and write with a fountain pen. I instantly recognize people who do NOT know.
    Maybe you could upload a video sample of yourself in this same procedure so we can see how it is done properly.

    I take these things for what they are: amateur presentations. Some of the people get fairly sophisticated but most of them have deficiencies in camera work, lighting, audio, and even penmanship. Hmmm... that is just some of the reasons I don't watch pen review videos!
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    Not a pen review, but showing that writing can be done in a homemade video.
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    I may have mentioned this up-thread (or not! brain no work good now), but I was on the fence about the Lamy 2000 for a long time.

    I am not nuts about piston-fillers, I thought it might be too heavy, that those tabs would irritate me, and that alleged teeny sweet spot would kill the experience.

    What sold me was a SHORT video with no sound, no flapping head and no unboxing. Just a fellow writing with it...an EF. I bought my EF 2000 based on that alone, none of the above worries bothered me, and I've exclusively used that same ink as the reviewer.

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