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    Quote Originally Posted by rocl View Post
    Iím not really sure what ďthatĒ is, that nobody is predicting. Could you clarify what youíre referring to?

    Thanks for the links BTW. Iíve seen the one with Gupta, but not Sikora.

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    Well, those are precisely the words I used to refer to the notion that COVID-19 would subside like Zika, without infecting the vast majority of the population and without a vaccine. Absent clarification, I interpret it as a response to me on that point, because I was wrong--some people are predicting that, more or less, with a substantially larger-than-worst-case percentage of the population being naturally immune or having cleared or being able to clear the virus without experiencing significant harm. If we don't need a vaccine because we aren't in the pickle most people think we're in, so much the better. The context of my remarks was in response to the dismissive treatment of a vaccine in the Bhattacharya video, which was, you will admit, rather gloomy in outlook. Having said that, I might further argue that, especially if many people are naturally immune and/or don't produce specifically detected antibodies to clear the infection, we probably won't know that soon enough for economics to put the brakes on vaccine development for COVID-19. We'll be watching with bated breath into the late fall, wondering whether seasonality explains reduced incidence.
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    My apologies. Yes, it was an attempt at quoting mhosea and removing everything but the relevant part and I managed to remove the quotation marks too. I have also heard many say that it was reasonable to assume that Covid 19 would become more benign over a longer period (years) as that happens commonly with many viruses.

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    I am not sure that I will ever feel particularly safe again whilst mixing with the public or even people that I know, there will always be the question in my mind, does this person have a bug that could kill me or my family, they want to shake my hand/kiss my cheek/give me a hug and I am thinking 'back off sunshine'.

    Schools are reopening for no strong reason other than child minders to allow parents to return to work, many parents who can work from home ae saying we do not want to go to an office because this means travelling on public transport and putting ourselves at risk, we work more effectively from home and we want to continue. house prices are falling by 14% but a strong demand for houses with gardens and office space. People are relauctant to get onto an aircraft and sit in close proximity with 200 others of unknown health, travel and hotel companies say we may never recover, restaurants and hospitality say that opening and complying with social distancing means that we cannot make money, we would rather stay shut until this is fixed please, not sure that the economy will recover in my lifetime and still my government is handing out money like its going out of fashion. a man I know cleans windows for two days a week, he earns £300 a month, he couldn't work for 3 weeks and he applied for assistance, £2500 appeared in his bank account , 8 months money, a friend of his did the same and obtained £10,000. The world has gone nuts and I cannot see that it will recover in my lifetime.

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    I am a scientist. More specifically, I am a medical laboratory scientist. I've been doing this for 7 years now. Before that, I spent 9 years as a staff research associate (molecular biologist/lab manager/technician) in a university research laboratory. And before that, I was working on dual bachelor's degrees in biology and chemistry. I'm not just a B.S.--I'm a triple B.S

    I started collecting fountain pens less than a year ago.

    What I want to say to the population at large is: Stay the heck home, don't go out unless you must, wear your gosh-durned mask when you do go out, wash your hands properly and frequently and if one hand grenade could injure two of you, you are too close!

    Not everyone gets ill with COVID-19, and not everyone who gets ill gets seriously ill. However, for the unlucky ones, this thing is worse than influenza. And I don't think influenza is wonderful, either. I realize my perspective is skewed from what I do for a living--I work in the transfusion services section of a hospital laboratory. That means that the patient population I issue blood to is often grievously ill or injured. And in the course of anticipating a patient's needs for blood and blood products, sometimes I end up combing through patient's records. It can be horrifying. Trust me--you don't want to be that ill or injured. You just don't. Even the best care possible is horrifying. I am still haunted by some influenza and COVID-19 cases.

    Staying in lockdown and taking appropriate precautions are the only things that are going to get this virus under control right now. I know there is hope for a vaccine, but we aren't there yet. And until that time, old-school controls are all we have. It's only going to be worse if we keep messing around with this re-opening nonsense before we have the virus under control.

    And finally, we as a species were about due for a pandemic of some sort. That's what viruses and other pathogens do. They find a host and they proliferate. And no, we aren't really smarter than microbes. We could be, but we aren't.

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    As someone who spent 19 years working in med lab sciences, I totally endorse the post by TFarnon.

    On a related note, I recently read an article about why people refuse to adopt safety measures that are encouraged or even mandated by governments. Turns out, in the main and heavily summarised, that this reactionary stance has little to do with reason or science, and everything to do with push back against authority. A bit of an obvious conclusion I suppose, but there it is.

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    Finally we get real examples of the DK effect.

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    My evening was spoiled the other day when I had a conversation with someone I had considered a friend. She says that the virus does not exist, and that the MMR vaccine causes autism. She thinks Boris Johnson is doing a better job than Nicola Sturgeon. I should have walked away, as there is no point in trying to argue with that sort of person.

    I do not mind diversity of views, but when those views could threaten people's existence...
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