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    Default Researching the history of internet FP forums

    Since the birth of the internet FP geeks have shared information thru email lists, BBS and USENET. With the appearance of the World Wide Web FP forums have appeared, thrived and disappeared. One of the drawbacks of Internet forums is that it is difficult to investigate their history. From a superficial search I have found these names:

    Lion and Pen
    Pentrace (now exists as newpentrace)
    Rambling Snail
    ... any others?


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    Do you know any of any other, now defunct, FP internet forums? Did you participate in them? Do you know their history? Why did they disappear?

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    Default Re: Researching the history of internet FP forums

    Before that were mailing lists. I was never a member but the most well-known of those was the Zoss list, which I believe spawned forums out of that membership.
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    Default Re: Researching the history of internet FP forums

    Quote Originally Posted by Jon Szanto View Post
    Before that were mailing lists. I was never a member but the most well-known of those was the Zoss list, which I believe spawned forums out of that membership.
    LOL I still have it bookmarked! There was talk of the PCA taking it over somehow, but the amount of serious interest amounted to naught.

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    Donít forget usenet. I think it was alt.collecting.pens or something like that. Frank Dubiel & Nathan Tardif were on it. I really enjoyed Frankís posts & had a few conversations with Nathan.

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    Off of the top of me head.....alt.collecting.pens-pencils {The Wild West}.....Penlovers......
    ikonPen......Penthusiasm......There are others......

    Fred

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    Quote Originally Posted by Freddie View Post
    Off of the top of me head.....alt.collecting.pens-pencils {The Wild West}.....Penlovers......
    ikonPen......Penthusiasm......There are others......

    Fred

    You mean these?


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    Default Re: Researching the history of internet FP forums

    Looks like it

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    For a while there was Fountain Pen Board.

    fpnuts.com

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    Quote Originally Posted by Farmboy View Post
    For a while there was Fountain Pen Board.

    fpnuts.com
    Checked it out and it seems to exist in a comatose state: no recent traffic and the last new member joined in 2017.

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    David Isaacson started a FaceBook page devoted to pens which seems to be high traffic.

    As I don't have a FB account I access it from the link on Vacumania.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kazoolaw View Post
    David Isaacson started a FaceBook page devoted to pens which seems to be high traffic.

    As I don't have a FB account I access it from the link on Vacumania.
    Which, since last I looked, apparently requires FB membership.

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    It seems like the fpnuts.com (fountainpenboard.com) site passed from comatose to extinct. So did the vacumania.com site.

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    A vestige of fpnuts apparently lives on in the URL of the Fountain Pens public FB page:
    https://www.facebook.com/groups/fpnuts/

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    Vacumania looks alive.

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    Default Re: Researching the history of internet FP forums

    Quote Originally Posted by welch View Post
    Vacumania looks alive.
    It's back up but hasn't been updated for a while. September 2018?

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    Quote Originally Posted by welch View Post
    Vacumania looks alive.
    That is correct. And fpnuts.com (fountainpenboard.com) also came back to life. It must have been a temporary glitch.

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    There's not much life in fpnuts. It has never quite died but the vast bulk of the activity has transferred to Facebook.
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    Default Re: Researching the history of internet FP forums

    I find the idea of how these forums grew from a semi dormant stage into active forums quite interesting. Did it work by the same individuals posting weekly until they struck gold on google search algorithm?

    I do find it quite interesting you stumble upon the ones that never quite made it. Which are in this extinct but still out there to be viewed before someone eventually tires of paying the hosting bill.

    On side topic I do wonder the impact of loss of the "Fpgeeks main sites" had on the forum growth. has it made it less discoverable. When I search repair related queries 90% of the time it's FPN, reddit and youtube.
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    I was pretty active at alt.collecting.pens-pencils but not as much on the other usenet pen sites sites. Now when the topic was hamster.duct-tape ...
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    Quote Originally Posted by top pen View Post
    I find the idea of how these forums grew from a semi dormant stage into active forums quite interesting. Did it work by the same individuals posting weekly until they struck gold on google search algorithm?

    I do find it quite interesting you stumble upon the ones that never quite made it. Which are in this extinct but still out there to be viewed before someone eventually tires of paying the hosting bill.

    On side topic I do wonder the impact of loss of the "Fpgeeks main sites" had on the forum growth. has it made it less discoverable. When I search repair related queries 90% of the time it's FPN, reddit and youtube.
    You pose some interesting questions that I cannot answer. I had hoped that some members who once participated in these now extinct forums would speak up about what made these grow and explain the causes for their decline. But apparently it seems there is an unspoken "don't ask, don't tell" vision of FP forum histories that seems to be quite curious. In my research I have found just a very few references to this history but it seems most of it has been sanitized to protect the parties involved.

    I have had a relatively brief participation in FP forums. Like many others I started out with FPN. It was back in 2011 when searching information on FPs that I stumbled upon that forum. After the great FPN meltdown of 2013 I began looking for other options and found FPGeeks. During a long time FPG was (for me) a most stimulating environment when compared to the heavy handed moderation style over at FPN. And to think that FPN started out as a very small forum practically screaming for help! On the other hand, the lack of basic moderation in FPG has alienated some contributors which I believe does not bode well for our little lifeboat.

    There is an old adage that says "Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it." The problems I surmise have occurred in other forums seem to repeat themselves. And as we choose not to remember this past we may very well be repeating it. I believe that things can and should be done to avert disaster but there has to be a willingness to address these issues.

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