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    Default Got my first Gold Seal today, in Lazulitic Blue, and Broad Flexible Personal Point

    Was really hoping I got the immaculate condition Wahl gold-filled Colonial Ring with a #4 personal point nib too, but someone beat me to that one.

    I wasn't able to pin-point this one down to an exact model in the 1929 catalog (and didn't see anything like it in the 1932 catalog), but far as I can tell it's a Personal Point Gold Seal, with a #4 personal point nib, that is a Broad Flexible nib.
















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    Default Re: Got my first Gold Seal today, in Lazulitic Blue, and Broad Flexible Personal Poin

    Nice. Great colour

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    Default Re: Got my first Gold Seal today, in Lazulitic Blue, and Broad Flexible Personal Poin

    Was going to give a writing sample, and after a few lines it starts dripping ink. I fear that the sac may be ruptured or not sealed somewhere on the nipple despite being sold "The pen has been restored and takes a nice fill."



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    Best I can tell there's not a leak or ruptured sac, nor cracked section or anything wrong with the personal point threading itself. But rather if the nib/feed was ever repositioned from its original factory setting, the nib tipping and feed may be set too far apart that at certain angles the liquid pools between the gap instead of being controlled by the feed.

    From what I can tell from other examples, the feed tip is supposed to be much higher up on the nib.
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    Default Re: Got my first Gold Seal today, in Lazulitic Blue, and Broad Flexible Personal Poin

    The sac is the first cause to eliminate because it is the most likely culprit, despite it being new. Bad sacs turn up more than we like, and sometimes the installation can damage the sac. If the symptom persists, the more difficult issue is the feed, especially if you have no replacements handy that fit your section. I am going through this same drippy dilemma with a much-loved oversize '29 Balance that had a months-old sac. One sac later proved it was a bigger issue, and after vain attempts to fit my spare feeds, I had to send it to my penmeister for feed and possibly section re-fitment.

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    Default Re: Got my first Gold Seal today, in Lazulitic Blue, and Broad Flexible Personal Poin

    Quote Originally Posted by FredRydr View Post
    The sac is the first cause to eliminate because it is the most likely culprit, despite it being new. Bad sacs turn up more than we like, and sometimes the installation can damage the sac. If the symptom persists, the more difficult issue is the feed, especially if you have no replacements handy that fit your section. I am going through this same drippy dilemma with a much-loved oversize '29 Balance that had a months-old sac. One sac later proved it was a bigger issue, and after vain attempts to fit my spare feeds, I had to send it to my penmeister for feed and possibly section re-fitment.
    Yep it was the sac, very gummy/squishy, also tacky up by the section nipple, and the side that the pressure bar pushes on was pulled down/exposed (but surprisingly didn't make it into the barrel far as I can tell.

    I was in communication with the seller for a couple messages, who was immediately responsive and very upfront, by the time I got his first response I was already in determination mode and had already had the personal point unit out (I told him this), and that I also suspected it was the sac (in his first response he offered a discount if I was confident enough to replace the sac myself, or it could go back to him to be redone, he also offered a full refund to return it if I wish, but as I was already modifying it from it's sold state I told him that I was already determined to keep it).

    I just have to follow up with him to tell him what I found with the sac now that the section is out.

    When I originally took out the personal point and got the nib/feed out (for the preparation for repositioning since it was easier at the time than getting the grip out of the barrel [ and was awaiting a response on whether or not he uses a sealant on the grip ])



    And after cleaning that up plus getting the section out and noticing the sac.



    So guess I need a #20 Latex sac, or I can try my #18 stash of silicone sacs (despite the gas permeability)

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    Default Re: Got my first Gold Seal today, in Lazulitic Blue, and Broad Flexible Personal Poin

    The seller may have restored the pen and it filled way back when, but he did so years ago...more than he recalls.

    I'm surprised you call for a big No. 20.

    Just out of curiosity, does the pen have an aluminum sleeve in the barrel? (Oh, never mind. I see that the section is threaded.)
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    Default Re: Got my first Gold Seal today, in Lazulitic Blue, and Broad Flexible Personal Poin

    Quote Originally Posted by FredRydr View Post
    The seller may have restored the pen and it filled way back when, but he did so years ago...more than he recalls.
    Basically that was so :

    It must have been right on the edge when I tested it. I hadn't used that pen in several years. So, to test it, I just filled and emptied it with water a couple of times. Seeing that it filled and emptied, I assumed it was okay. I must have taken it right to the edge.

    Very sorry about that! Sorry you had to go through all these steps to figure it out.


    Quote Originally Posted by FredRydr View Post
    I'm surprised you call for a big No. 20.
    PenSacs calls for it in the catalog/guides : https://www.pensacs.com/catalog-and-guide/

    Quote Originally Posted by FredRydr View Post
    Just out of curiosity, does the pen have an aluminum sleeve in the barrel? (Oh, never mind. I see that the section is threaded.)
    Actually it does seem to have a sleeve, the section itself is not threaded it's friction fit, and when I look in side I see a thin lining which I thought was soot/patina but it's too sharp. It starts where the section would end inside. So I was wondering if it had a lining, it's the first I've seen of something like that.

    The threaded part is the personal point nib unit, it threads into the section, not into the barrel.

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    Default Re: Got my first Gold Seal today, in Lazulitic Blue, and Broad Flexible Personal Poin

    Okay, thanks for that clarification of the threads. Separating the section from that aluminum sleeve can be tough. You're fortunate. Wahl specialist Syd Saperstein sells a special lube or penetrant for that purpose and it did work for me, though I've since been told by another restorer the penetrant is simply "Blaster." I'm not yet familiar with it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FredRydr View Post
    Okay, thanks for that clarification of the threads. Separating the section from that aluminum sleeve can be tough. You're fortunate. Wahl specialist Syd Saperstein sells a special lube or penetrant for that purpose and it did work for me, though I've since been told by another restorer the penetrant is simply "Blaster." I'm not yet familiar with it.
    On mine, where the section goes in, the barrel is just celluloid, but just after where the section would end inside the barrel, the sleeve starts. ie: the lining doesn't cover the entire barrels' length.

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    Default Re: Got my first Gold Seal today, in Lazulitic Blue, and Broad Flexible Personal Poin

    nice!

    i really am going to have to add inspired blue to my "someday" list... love those bright blue/turquoise inks...

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    Quote Originally Posted by INeedAFinancialAdvisor View Post
    nice!

    i really am going to have to add inspired blue to my "someday" list... love those bright blue/turquoise inks...
    It also sheens a bit red in spots depending on paper and wetness (it's on there but harder to see on a scan)

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    Default Re: Got my first Gold Seal today, in Lazulitic Blue, and Broad Flexible Personal Poin

    This is a very nice pen and masterly photographed! Congrats.

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    Default Re: Got my first Gold Seal today, in Lazulitic Blue, and Broad Flexible Personal Poin

    Very nice pen. One benefit of the liner on these, is that it does protect the celluloid from discoloration due to off-gassing. Beautiful color. Don't know what the model is called, but your add shows the long version. Pretty neat that they move the "Gold Seal" from below the clip to the top of the cap for these shorties. Pretty flashy when its in your pocket (assuming no military pocket flap). Good stuff.

    Bob

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    Default Re: Got my first Gold Seal today, in Lazulitic Blue, and Broad Flexible Personal Poin

    Quote Originally Posted by Seattleite View Post
    Very nice pen. One benefit of the liner on these, is that it does protect the celluloid from discoloration due to off-gassing. Beautiful color. Don't know what the model is called, but your add shows the long version. Pretty neat that they move the "Gold Seal" from below the clip to the top of the cap for these shorties. Pretty flashy when its in your pocket (assuming no military pocket flap). Good stuff.

    Bob
    I haven't found any specific ads that matches mine exactly, though I do have this one now (an original that I got stashed away in my art portfolio for the time being), which is pretty close to mine, except it has the gold seal below the clip.



    Would love to find a matching pencil.

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