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    Default Diamine Salamander - coming soon!

    I can now announce a forthcoming new ink from Diamine - Salamander. It's a wonderful dark green, olive, khaki, brown colour
    which I'm sure will be very popular. Seriously it is all of those colours.
    Working in collaboration with Phil Davies at Diamine I was asked to come up with a name for a sample of the ink he'd sent me to have a look at, labelled 'No 93'. I was intrigued.
    It reminded me of the colours of Royal Flying corps bi-planes during WWI so I had a look for some more information. Here is one of the Q & A bits on a website for UK model aircraft fanatics.

    "I have been trying to discover the true colours used on these aircraft. The excellent pictures in Cross and Cockade journals were my starting point but I remain unsure as to what the colours really were. For example are the upper planes and fuselage dark green, olive, khaki, brown? Please can anyone help on this?"

    "There's not an easy answer to your question, as the colour wasn't constant. The dope used for aircraft upper-surfaces on the Western Front was PC 10 (Protective Colouring No 10) and the pigments were natural oxide of iron (yellow ochre) and lamp black/carbon black, in the ratio of 250 to 1 (ochre is comparatively heavy and lamp black is very light); this produced a dark brown mixture. To spread it on to aeroplane fabric, the mixture was added to cellulose or oil varnish, something that caused an optical effect known as 'green shift', which caused the doped area to look greenish under some light conditions. The degree of green shift varied depending on the type of varnish used. However, as the aeroplane was exposed to the elements, the green shift was reduced and it took on a definite dark brown appearance.
    To add to the confusion, the colouring could vary between manufacturers, and even from batch to batch on aircraft made by the same manufacturer."


    When I tried out the ink, I noted that the similarity with the changes of colour from brown/green to brown and then to green sometimes, and the ‘green shift’ effect was remarkable. On white papers, such as Rhodium or Clairefontaine, the colour when the ink first hits the paper has a definite green starting point. However, it dries to that mystical khaki colour but then when direct light hits it, there is shading and a metallic sheen is visible. On Rhodia ivory paper, the brown colouration is evident but on Leuchtturm and even more so on Moleskine, that brown goes positively copper and the sheen is most pronounced.
    Something in the back of my mind came up with the name 'Salamander' and when I looked for pictures on the net, I realised that it was the fact that a lot of that species of small amphibians are couloured black with yellow patches - just like the mix or PC 10 - tha thad jogged my memory!
    Obviously, you will have to make up your own minds. The ink should be available in about six to eight weeks and I will post scans as soon as I am allowed to.
    Until then, sit back and wait for Salamander - it will be worth it, I promise you.
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    "Meddler's 'Salamander' - almost as good as the real thing!"

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    Default Re: Diamine Salamander - coming soon!

    Really enjoy Diamine ink and am looking forward to this color.

    Thanks for the info.

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    Default Re: Diamine Salamander - coming soon!

    Good Captain, what great background information. As an aviation buff, I love the backstory. Sounds like a super ink. Looking forward to it.

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    Default Re: Diamine Salamander - coming soon!

    Interesting colour. I'm not over keen on greens but like browns so this has definite possibilities. Any indication of a release date?

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    Default Re: Diamine Salamander - coming soon!

    Really looking forward to this.

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    Default Re: Diamine Salamander - coming soon!

    Okay, you got me. I want.
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    Default Re: Diamine Salamander - coming soon!

    Cannot wait to see this in person!
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    Default Re: Diamine Salamander - coming soon!

    Quote Originally Posted by oldstoat View Post
    Any indication of a release date?
    Confirmed it is scheduled for a late August arrival in the US.

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    Default Re: Diamine Salamander - coming soon!

    This is very exciting news! I'm looking forward to this new ink, and kinda can't wait. Anyone have swabs to share? =)
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    Default Re: Diamine Salamander - coming soon!

    I am only allowed to post scans of this ink when I get the go-ahead from Phil Davies at Diamine. Sadly, I'm not even open to bribery on this one at all!
    Not even copious amounts of alcohol would persuade me.
    However...
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    Default Re: Diamine Salamander - coming soon!

    Quote Originally Posted by The Good Captain View Post
    I am only allowed to post scans of this ink when I get the go-ahead from Phil Davies at Diamine. Sadly, I'm not even open to bribery on this one at all!
    Not even copious amounts of alcohol would persuade me.
    However...
    Well, if copious amounts of alcohol can't persuade you, that sounds pretty serious.

    Looking forward to more information as it becomes available. Thanks for sharing this. I wait with anticipation!
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    Default Re: Diamine Salamander - coming soon!

    Sounds like an interesting color. I can't wait to see how it looks.

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    Default Re: Diamine Salamander - coming soon!

    This thread is useless without pics!!!!!!!

    (sorry, just had to say that!!!! )

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    Default Re: Diamine Salamander - coming soon!

    Then just post the emoticons.

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    Default Re: Diamine Salamander - coming soon!

    Some of my favorite inks are murky olive green-browns (a la Sailor Rikyu-cha or Noodler's Burma Road Brown), so I'm very much looking forward to this one!

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    Default Re: Diamine Salamander - coming soon!

    As soon as I get the go-ahead, I'll post the pics. I've already started on the stuff to scan, with some comparisons etc.
    Soon, my children, soon.
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    Cap'n - Talk about selling the sizzle and not the steak! Can't wait already.

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    Default Re: Diamine Salamander - coming soon!

    Quote Originally Posted by reprieve View Post
    Some of my favorite inks are murky olive green-browns (a la Sailor Rikyu-cha or Noodler's Burma Road Brown), so I'm very much looking forward to this one!
    What you said!
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    Default Re: Diamine Salamander - coming soon!

    Can't wait to see this one, sounds so intriguing.

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    Default Re: Diamine Salamander - coming soon!

    What a great non-review! I want it already.

    But I couldn't work out why we wanted pigs! hahaha

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