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    Default Help verifying authenticity of good sample from early 1980's

    Hi All.
    This is my first post on this forum. I was hoping people more experienced than me could help me validate authenticity of what seems to be a great sample of early 1980's of Meisterstuck 146.

    In general it looks authentic even with some "patina" in the nib which doesn't look like it was used a lot.

    What bugs me is the sticker on the side saying :"M \n W Germany". Too new to be truth?
    The boxing is also interesting and seems legit, given that Varig was an important air company in brazil in the 1980's.


    Some pictures...

    Nib looks weird, but could that be just "patina"?
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    Zoom on the ring.
    Zoom.jpg
    Nib from its back
    Nibback.jpg
    Sticker:
    Sticker.jpg
    Full pen:
    Full.jpg
    Box Pics:
    Box.jpg
    Box Back.jpg

    Any feedback is greatly appretiated!
    Best regards!
    Walter

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    Default Re: Help verifying authenticity of good sample from early 1980's

    Welcome home. Pull up a stump and set a spell. It's impossible to verify authenticity from pictures but what you have posted looks like pretty normal airline or Duty Free packaging.
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    Default Re: Help verifying authenticity of good sample from early 1980's

    Thanks for the reply Jar!

    Quote Originally Posted by jar View Post
    It's impossible to verify authenticity from pictures
    Of course, completely understand. Just wanted another set of eyes checking for leads indicating a fake.
    Dutyfree was a great hunch too!


    Thanks!
    Walter

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    Default Re: Help verifying authenticity of good sample from early 1980's

    14k, split ebonite and the trumpet section? I would say mid eighties for that pen. W Germany sounds right.

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    Default Re: Help verifying authenticity of good sample from early 1980's

    Looks like mine. IIRC, that blue ink window with a monotone nib puts it right around 1987-89

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    Default Re: Help verifying authenticity of good sample from early 1980's

    Iím seeing a striped window which would put it at the tail end of the 14k nib era, right about the time reunification.
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    Default Re: Help verifying authenticity of good sample from early 1980's

    Quote Originally Posted by guyy View Post
    Iím seeing a striped window which would put it at the tail end of the 14k nib era, right about the time reunification.
    I don't see a striped clear window but there is a slight reflection in the blue ink window on the pictured pen.
    I believe it is an authentic Montblanc MeisterstŁck 146 in typical duty free packaging from somewhere between 1985 and 1989 when the Berlin wall came down.
    The nib just needs a quick rub with a gold cloth to get it's shine back.
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    Default Re: Help verifying authenticity of good sample from early 1980's

    Itís definitely striped if you zoom. Thereís dried ink in there or the photo is just too dark to see the clear parts.

    Blue ink windows were very late 1950s and a few odd pens supposedly produced in the 1960s and possibly right after the revival.

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    Default Re: Help verifying authenticity of good sample from early 1980's

    Quote Originally Posted by guyy View Post
    Itís definitely striped if you zoom. Thereís dried ink in there or the photo is just too dark to see the clear parts.

    Blue ink windows were very late 1950s and a few odd pens supposedly produced in the 1960s and possibly right after the revival.
    All I can say is I'm fully zoomed in on my large iMac screen and this blue ink window is nothing like all of my clear striped ones. But mine are all after reunification. None of my feeds are like that and none of my nibs are monotone either.
    Last edited by Chrissy; June 20th, 2020 at 11:22 PM.
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    Default Re: Help verifying authenticity of good sample from early 1980's

    Quote Originally Posted by FredRydr View Post
    Thanks. OK I'll vote for what they call grey solid rather than pale blue in that case.
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    Default Re: Help verifying authenticity of good sample from early 1980's

    149 striped windows look like this when they have dried ink in them.

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    Default Re: Help verifying authenticity of good sample from early 1980's

    I must be going blind. I don't see a striped window or a blue window. I see a grey window....

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    Default Re: Help verifying authenticity of good sample from early 1980's

    Wow, I'm impressed with the number of replies. Thank you so much for sharing the experience. I've had a couple of montblancs but definitely not experienced with them.
    So I was wrong, its more likely its mid/late 1980's which still make sense to me.

    Other than packaging, is there any difference on a duty free version from a regular one?

    //I don't think its a striped window, it seems like a plain blue/grey'ish window (below a couple more pictures).
    I don't think its a striped window, it seems like a plain grey window (below a couple more pictures).

    Note: Had to edit this... after searching for what a blue ink window looks like, this is definitely grey...

    In a leap of faith (some could call impulse) I bought it. Two montblancs 146, both same age: one supposed to be used a couple of times; the other not used (never inked). Only one has the box and the leather pocket.
    I bought them online and will be able to return them if not happy.

    To be honest, I was searching for a 149 but the price was too good to let it go.

    I will post more pictures when I get my hands on them.

    Couple more pictures below:
    Backnib.jpg
    BoxZoomout.jpg



    Thank you very much!
    Best regards!
    Walter
    Last edited by Wmundstock; June 20th, 2020 at 05:40 PM.

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    Default Re: Help verifying authenticity of good sample from early 1980's

    Quote Originally Posted by FredRydr View Post
    Thanks for sharing FredRydr, this is an fantastic resource!
    Helping me date my other 146 also bought used.

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    Default Re: Help verifying authenticity of good sample from early 1980's

    The only difference between this pen and one purchased from a boutique is the duty free version of it's packaging.

    You didn't say if the piston threads were black plastic or brass. They should be black plastic on a pen of this era.
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    Default Re: Help verifying authenticity of good sample from early 1980's

    Quote Originally Posted by Chrissy View Post
    The only difference between this pen and one purchased from a boutique is the duty free version of it's packaging.
    Great, thanks! I was afraid they could go cheap on these models.

    Quote Originally Posted by Chrissy View Post
    You didn't say if the piston threads were black plastic or brass. They should be black plastic on a pen of this era.
    I did not get any pictures of the piston threads. I will post pictures when I receive the pens.

    Thank you!
    Walter

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    Default Re: Help verifying authenticity of good sample from early 1980's

    Quote Originally Posted by Wmundstock View Post

    Quote Originally Posted by Chrissy View Post
    You didn't say if the piston threads were black plastic or brass. They should be black plastic on a pen of this era.
    I did not get any pictures of the piston threads. I will post pictures when I receive the pens.

    Thank you!
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    You'll be able to tell from the weight, honestly. The brass piston adds a lot of heft to the pen. The plastic one is very light in comparison.

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    Default Re: Help verifying authenticity of good sample from early 1980's

    The pens arrived today. First one (in the box) is really brand new. I can't tell for sure but seems like it was never or barely used.
    Second one is as good as the first, but someone (I cried a little bit when I saw) unscrewed the piston so strong that it broke. Whoever did this really didn't know how to handle a piston filled pen.

    Seller did not tell me because I think she did not know.

    Well, turns out that I will keep the pens anyway, because they really look awesome. I will replace the screw and think about what to do. I bought these pens because I thought the price was good, I plan to seel them and get a 149...

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    Best regards.
    Walter

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    Default Re: Help verifying authenticity of good sample from early 1980's

    IIRC that piston really looks both wrong for the period and also incorrectly installed. I would have expected a plastic piston mechanism and that still doesn't look right. I'd really consider sending that one back.
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