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    Default Danish Montblanc No. 20 needs repair

    Although she passed away years ago, I've still got a lot of my mother's stuff. One of the dearest things is her fountain pen which she got in AArhus Denmark before the war. I would estimate around '38 or '39.

    Since I'm so familiar with this from an early age, this represents the quintessential fountain pen. I've done a bit of research and see that the "20" stamped on the filler cap is the model number. Also, there are type 1, 2, and 3. The type 1 and 2 were made in Germany, with a possibility that some model 2s were assembled and/or made in Denmark. This looks to me like a model 3, with the smaller cap crown, which were all made in Denmark. There is no DRP patent imprint on the barrel, unless that's what should go in the circle between "SIM" and "PLO". It's quite worn form use.

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    On the barrel: SIM and PLO with a circle in between.
    ORIGINAL MONTBLANC
    On the cap:
    4810
    MONTBLANC MASTERPIECE

    Do we have any Montblanc experts here, or anybody with relevant information? I'd like to confirm the type. Am I correct in saying this particular model is made in Denmark?
    Also, I would like to find a reputable restorer, preferably in Canada, but not essential, and not the kind of restorer that makes things look new - I'd like this treated as an antique.


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    Default Re: Danish Montblanc No. 20 needs repair

    Is that a button filler or piston filler?

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    Default Re: Danish Montblanc No. 20 needs repair

    I don't know and can't remember from when I saw it working. The button unscrews about 2.5mm and then does nothing ie, it doesn't push in or out from there. I don't want to force it. Montblanc apparently had a push knob system, which presumably this is. This site says push knob.
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    Default Re: Danish Montblanc No. 20 needs repair

    The person you should email is Francis Goosens. He is in Belgium but likely your best and quickest repair source right now. He is member "fountainbel" over on Fountain Pen Network.

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    Default Re: Danish Montblanc No. 20 needs repair

    A little googling and he's easy to find thanks. I does look like he's the guy. By the way, in that little google storm, up came another model 20, not even a perfect one, sold for $1595. My goodness it seem like that model has value to others as well.

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    Default Re: Danish Montblanc No. 20 needs repair

    I spotted one on ebay that looks like the same or a similar model, here
    Sadly that one is missing it's cap. They crop up on ebay from time to time.
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    Default Re: Danish Montblanc No. 20 needs repair

    There is also a person in Denmark who specialised on danish MB. I don‘t have an adress and don‘t know his name, but on FPnetwork he‘s called „Farmdogfan“.
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    Default Re: Danish Montblanc No. 20 needs repair

    Unless the OP is a current FPN member I think that they may have difficulty in getting access to FPN in order to find contact information for Francis or Farmdogfan.

    I thought I may have Fountainbel's email address but unfortunately not, perhaps someone could PM the OP with email addresses?

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    Default Re: Danish Montblanc No. 20 needs repair

    Quote Originally Posted by Chrissy View Post
    I spotted one on ebay that looks like the same or a similar model, here
    Sadly that one is missing it's cap. They crop up on ebay from time to time.
    Thanks, that's interesting and helps me learn about these. Yes that's similar, but from what I understand this far, that one is German, and not Danish. I'm finding that there's a lot to know about these and it's a minefield for a neophyte like me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fermata View Post
    Unless the OP is a current FPN member I think that they may have difficulty in getting access to FPN in order to find contact information for Francis or Farmdogfan.

    I thought I may have Fountainbel's email address but unfortunately not, perhaps someone could PM the OP with email addresses?
    I PM'd both of them with a link to this thread.

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    Default Re: Danish Montblanc No. 20 needs repair

    Quote Originally Posted by Ole Juul View Post
    Although she passed away years ago, I've still got a lot of my mother's stuff. One of the dearest things is her fountain pen which she got in AArhus Denmark before the war. I would estimate around '38 or '39.

    Since I'm so familiar with this from an early age, this represents the quintessential fountain pen. I've done a bit of research and see that the "20" stamped on the filler cap is the model number. Also, there are type 1, 2, and 3. The type 1 and 2 were made in Germany, with a possibility that some model 2s were assembled and/or made in Denmark. This looks to me like a model 3, with the smaller cap crown, which were all made in Denmark. There is no DRP patent imprint on the barrel, unless that's what should go in the circle between "SIM" and "PLO". It's quite worn form use.

    Details
    On the barrel: SIM and PLO with a circle in between.
    ORIGINAL MONTBLANC
    On the cap:
    4810
    MONTBLANC MASTERPIECE

    Do we have any Montblanc experts here, or anybody with relevant information? I'd like to confirm the type. Am I correct in saying this particular model is made in Denmark?
    Also, I would like to find a reputable restorer, preferably in Canada, but not essential, and not the kind of restorer that makes things look new - I'd like this treated as an antique.

    Hi, iīm definitely not an expert, but i can say that itīs a danish version (tapered cap and small star), number 20 indicates that itīs the smallest version.

    Itīs a push-button filler, the "blind cap" unscrews a bit and can then be used as a normal button filler, this way you donīt loose loose the "blind cap", if you canīt push the button after unscrewing the blind cap, itīs propably because the rubber sack has hardened and needs changing.

    Hope it helps.

    Regards Per.

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    Default Re: Danish Montblanc No. 20 needs repair

    Than you very much Per. Maybe not an expert, but I see you're definitely educated in these matters.

    I've never had a push-button filler, so wasn't sure how it was supposed to feel. Your guess makes sense, that it won't go in because the rubber sack being hardened. I'm sure it's been over 50 years since it's been used.

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    Default Re: Danish Montblanc No. 20 needs repair

    Quote Originally Posted by Ole Juul View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Chrissy View Post
    I spotted one on ebay that looks like the same or a similar model, here
    Sadly that one is missing it's cap. They crop up on ebay from time to time.
    Thanks, that's interesting and helps me learn about these. Yes that's similar, but from what I understand this far, that one is German, and not Danish. I'm finding that there's a lot to know about these and it's a minefield for a neophyte like me.
    Sorry. I may have wrongly assumed that when the seller said it was Montblanc Simplo" Fountain Pen-Coral Red Button Filler-Denmark 1930' (K) he sounded like he knew what he was taking about.
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    Default Re: Danish Montblanc No. 20 needs repair

    What a great pen! It's an heirloom, it's a favorite and it's a Montblanc! That red shade is a hallmark of Danish production, a popular color in that market. The red Montblanc pens made in Hamburg in the '30s that I've owned were a darker hue, commonly called burgundy (not to be confused with bordeaux introduced a few decades ago).

    Francis Goossens is a good choice, as is Osman Sumer of Hamburg. Osman is a regular vendor at Pen Shows in the states, but all that is on hold. PM me if you want more information on either.

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    Default Re: Danish Montblanc No. 20 needs repair

    Hi Bart,
    In case your pen is not repaired yet, please e-mail me : francis.goossens2@skynet.be
    Best regards,
    Francis

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    Default Re: Danish Montblanc No. 20 needs repair

    Email sent.

    Many thanks to whoever got the message to Francis.

    Also, this is great community.

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    Default Re: Danish Montblanc No. 20 needs repair

    I'm packing the pen up right now and sending it to Francis Goossens.

    Quote Originally Posted by FredRydr View Post
    What a great pen! It's an heirloom, it's a favorite and it's a Montblanc! ...
    Thanks Fred. Yes, you sure got that right! I'm excited that I'll be able to write with the same pen my mother first let me try when I was 4 and which I've always regarded as the quintessential fountain pen. By the way, that was almost 70 years ago. lol

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    Default Re: Danish Montblanc No. 20 needs repair

    Quote Originally Posted by Ole Juul View Post
    I'm packing the pen up right now and sending it to Francis Goossens.

    Quote Originally Posted by FredRydr View Post
    What a great pen! It's an heirloom, it's a favorite and it's a Montblanc! ...
    Thanks Fred. Yes, you sure got that right! I'm excited that I'll be able to write with the same pen my mother first let me try when I was 4 and which I've always regarded as the quintessential fountain pen. By the way, that was almost 70 years ago. lol
    Kids.

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