About that new Parker 51 (2020 edition)

[penwash]

According to the rumor, there will be a new pen that will bear the name "Parker 51" to be released later this year.

What do you all think?
Excited?
Disappointed already?
Indifferent?
What is Parker 51?

[Linkinyeah]

https://www.fahrneyspens.com/Item--i-161258


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[Linkinyeah]

I am not crazy about the clip. I will have to see the rest in had to know for sure but to me the hood looks Parker 21ish more than 51.


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[penwash]

I am not crazy about the clip. I will have to see the rest in had to know for sure but to me the hood looks Parker 21ish more than 51.

I think it looks like Parker Sonnet clip.
The original Parker 21 clip is either a trough or a concave one, both very plain.

Maybe you're thinking Parker 21 Super clip.

[Linkinyeah]

I am not crazy about the clip. I will have to see the rest in had to know for sure but to me the hood looks Parker 21ish more than 51.

I think it looks like Parker Sonnet clip.
The original Parker 21 clip is either a trough or a concave one, both very plain.

Maybe you're thinking Parker 21 Super clip.

I was comparing the hood to the 21, not the clip.


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[penwash]

I am not crazy about the clip. I will have to see the rest in had to know for sure but to me the hood looks Parker 21ish more than 51.

I think it looks like Parker Sonnet clip.
The original Parker 21 clip is either a trough or a concave one, both very plain.

Maybe you're thinking Parker 21 Super clip.

I was comparing the hood to the 21, not the clip.

My bad. Reading to quickly.

[RobJohnson]

The high priced version has a gold nib, the cooking model does not, pen is not made of Lucite but resin, the jewel on the base model lacks lustre, filling system is not aerometric but cartidge.

I can buy a fully restored proper 51 for the price of the base model, I passed on a NOS 51 last week for less than half the price of the new base model.

There needs to be some honesty in the marketing of the 2020 51. The new pen is not a 51, it is a recreation by what looks like a Chinese maker on behalf of Parker.

[manoeuver]

Screw on cap?
Screw off!

more faithful new 51 odes/crass ripoffs to be had for a few bucks.
no shortage of originals for anybody who cares enough to write with one.

I s'pose it's good for them to get this one on the market before the world ends though.

[Chrissy]

Screw on cap?
Screw off!

more faithful new 51 odes/crass ripoffs to be had for a few bucks.
no shortage of originals for anybody who cares enough to write with one.

I s'pose it's good for them to get this one on the market before the world ends though.

As I don't have any Parker 51's, and didn't really like the only one I ever tried, I would be interested to learn if they were known for drying out because of their push-on caps? If they were then the manufacturer could have considered the change-over to a screw cap would be a good idea when relaunching the all new Parker 51.

I never really liked the aerometric filler and liked the vacumatic even less because they were both harder to clean out before changing ink colours than regular C/C pens, so I'm assuming the new version will come with a converter. I believe some of the later Parker 51's were made with a converter, but these hardly ever seem to appear for sale, and, even when they do, they tend to be really expensive.

I agree that the new pen won't ever be a faithful version, and maybe should not be called a Parker 51 due to that, but it might turn out to be a nice enough pen when we see it. That is, if we all get to see it before the world ends.

[penwash]

Screw on cap?
Screw off!

more faithful new 51 odes/crass ripoffs to be had for a few bucks.
no shortage of originals for anybody who cares enough to write with one.

I s'pose it's good for them to get this one on the market before the world ends though.

As I don't have any Parker 51's, and didn't really like the only one I ever tried, I would be interested to learn if they were known for drying out because of their push-on caps? If they were then the manufacturer could have considered the change-over to a screw cap would be a good idea when relaunching the all new Parker 51.

I never really liked the aerometric filler and liked the vacumatic even less because they were both harder to clean out before changing ink colours than regular C/C pens, so I'm assuming the new version will come with a converter. I believe some of the later Parker 51's were made with a converter, but these hardly ever seem to appear for sale, and, even when they do, they tend to be really expensive.

I agree that the new pen won't ever be a faithful version, and maybe should not be called a Parker 51 due to that, but it might turn out to be a nice enough pen when we see it. That is, if we all get to see it before the world ends.

Chrissy, answering your question above:

The original Parker 51 cap has a very interesting design that allows them to protect the nib from drying out (helped also by the hood that covers much of the nib). The slip cap is facilitated by a thin but very, very sturdy "clutch" that is installed inside the cap which engages the double-ring on the pen barrel. Since both the ring on the barrel and the clutch are perfect circles (no notches or gaps), their sealing efficacy is quite high.

I have several Parker 51 and every time I had those filled with ink, they became a very reliable go-to writing pen for random notes or signatures because they will continue to write without hard-starts weeks and months after.

But I agree with your last point, that this new pen may turn out to be a nice one after all, but it seems impossible for it to "prove itself" because it's saddled with the burden of carrying the name "51" on its shoulder.

[pajaro]

Screw on cap?
Screw off!

more faithful new 51 odes/crass ripoffs to be had for a few bucks.
no shortage of originals for anybody who cares enough to write with one.

I s'pose it's good for them to get this one on the market before the world ends though.

As I don't have any Parker 51's, and didn't really like the only one I ever tried, I would be interested to learn if they were known for drying out because of their push-on caps? If they were then the manufacturer could have considered the change-over to a screw cap would be a good idea when relaunching the all new Parker 51.

I never really liked the aerometric filler and liked the vacumatic even less because they were both harder to clean out before changing ink colours than regular C/C pens, so I'm assuming the new version will come with a converter. I believe some of the later Parker 51's were made with a converter, but these hardly ever seem to appear for sale, and, even when they do, they tend to be really expensive.

I agree that the new pen won't ever be a faithful version, and maybe should not be called a Parker 51 due to that, but it might turn out to be a nice enough pen when we see it. That is, if we all get to see it before the world ends.

My first Parker 51, midnight blue medium aero, bought in July, 1970, does not dry out. Never had the hood off. Recently left it up for a few weeks, and it wrote right away, as it always does. It is still my favorite pen. Fifty years, a lot of use. Still beautiful.

[azkid]

Agree it seems more like a 21 (hooded but standard FP nib and feed). A number of unique designs set the 51 apart: the collector, the unusual nib shape, the filling system (either). This doesn't seem to have any of that.

I know that there are modern Hero pens that use the same nib (I used one to replace a bad nib on a 21 super). Hero and/or WingSung has a modern vacumatic filling system. Not sure if they also use the 51 nib. I am actually more intrigued by these.

I mean, I'm sure the new 51 isn't bad or anything. I wonder if it will increase or reduce demand (and prices) for the originals?

[penwash]

I mean, I'm sure the new 51 isn't bad or anything. I wonder if it will increase or reduce demand (and prices) for the originals?

I suspect this will increase the demand for the original ones, once people realize how much better it is than this knock... er, I mean new edition.

[Blue Note]

If it had an aerometric or vacumatic filler, a vintage clip, a couple more nib choices and didn't have Chinese knockoff written all over it, maybe. But no thanks, I'd prefer to add to my collection of originals. Still looking for a good one in that eggplant colour.

[penwash]

If it had an aerometric or vacumatic filler, a vintage clip, a couple more nib choices and didn't have Chinese knockoff written all over it, maybe. But no thanks, I'd prefer to add to my collection of originals. Still looking for a good one in that eggplant colour.

I'd give them extra marks if they at least retain the aerometric.
But C/C filler??? Who exactly are they trying to impress ?

[Blue Note]

And another thing: the section ring looks wrong, and is that a screw on cap? Wrong!

[Chrissy]

According to the rumor, there will be a new pen that will bear the name "Parker 51" to be released later this year.

What do you all think?
Excited?
Disappointed already?
Indifferent?
What is Parker 51?

I would be indifferent. 😐

[Chuck Naill]

Personally I think any reference to this new offering as a Parker 21 is to do an injustice to the Parker 21 Deluxe.

[Kaputnik]

Meh.

I have, I think, three working 51s, and one , an aerometric, has a nib that I like. It's a decent pen, but has never become a favorite. Can't really get interested in a modern CC version. But tastes differ, obviously.

Oh, and thanks for the information, anyway. It's interesting when companies try to "rediscover" one of their classics, whether I would buy one or not.

[Empty_of_Clouds]

Wouldn't go for this, even given the difficulty I am having getting an original 51. Too many deviations.