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    Default Rhodia-like Copier Paper?

    I love the smoothness of Rhodia on my fine nibs but when practicing my handwriting I have to print out drills and rules on copier paper, which I find scratchy and requires more pressure than Rhodia.

    Is there an equivalent to Rhodia in A4 that I can use to print my lessons on?

    I was reading this and the winners are no longer made and thereís no indication of how smooth they are:

    https://www.mountainofink.com/blog/copy-paper-conundrum

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    Default Re: Rhodia-like Copier Paper?

    We discussed Rhodia and Clairefontaine papers at the Lone Star meeting on Sunday.
    Rhodia is 80gsm weight paper so maybe if you look on Amazon to find copier paper that is either 80gsm weight or better you might get something smooth.

    I currently use Xerox Colorprint paper that's either 100gsm or 120gsm and they are both smooth papers.
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    Default Re: Rhodia-like Copier Paper?

    You can get blank Rhodia in A4. Itís the No. 18 pads

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    Default Re: Rhodia-like Copier Paper?

    Thank you, Chrissy. I'll give one of those a try.

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    Default Re: Rhodia-like Copier Paper?

    HP 24# isn't too bad but line width is increased vs the better papers, at least with the pens and inks I've tried. But that's what I use for handwriting drill paper.

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    Default Re: Rhodia-like Copier Paper?

    Quote Originally Posted by azkid View Post
    HP 24# isn't too bad but line width is increased vs the better papers, at least with the pens and inks I've tried. But that's what I use for handwriting drill paper.
    How is the texture of the HP 24#? I canít find the paper in the US that Chrissy suggested, and anything Iíve seen 80 gsm and higher has been card stock (despite Rhodia being 80 gsm and still pretty light in hand).

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    Default Re: Rhodia-like Copier Paper?

    If you have a "staples" or "office depot", you can go to their copy paper section and look through the Laser Copy Paper.
    I bought a ream of that paper 90gsm laser copy paper and made my own pads from it.
    Just as smooth and silky as my Rhodia Pad.

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    Default Re: Rhodia-like Copier Paper?

    The HP paper is quite smooth, certainly much, much smoother than typical cheap copy/laser paper.
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    Default Re: Rhodia-like Copier Paper?

    Quote Originally Posted by Detman101 View Post
    If you have a "staples" or "office depot", you can go to their copy paper section and look through the Laser Copy Paper.
    I bought a ream of that paper 90gsm laser copy paper and made my own pads from it.
    Just as smooth and silky as my Rhodia Pad.
    Good idea! I bet most laser copy paper that is 90gsm would feel smooth to write on.
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    Default Re: Rhodia-like Copier Paper?

    The HP paper is very smooth, and probably the best readily available option in the US for printer paper, but it's not the same quality as Rhodia (or similar) papers. As azkid mentioned, lines are a little wider and I think the colors are a little flatter than on Rhodia. But these small issues probably don't matter if you mainly use the paper for practicing penmanship.

    I heard you can buy Tomoe River in reams but I haven't found where these are sold online. Tomoe River isn't as heavy as Rhodia but it still works very well with fountain pens.

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    Default Re: Rhodia-like Copier Paper?

    Quote Originally Posted by mulrich View Post
    I heard you can buy Tomoe River in reams but I haven't found where these are sold online. Tomoe River isn't as heavy as Rhodia but it still works very well with fountain pens.
    I imagine you're referring to 500 sheets as a ream, but I just bought a package of 100 sheets at what I believe is the right price on Amazon.ca.

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    Default Re: Rhodia-like Copier Paper?

    Iím going to give Kokuyo KB paper a try. Itís 64 gsm. I also picked up some Tomoe River loose. These should arrive Saturday. Iíll update with the results.

    Thank you for the great ideas!

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    Default Re: Rhodia-like Copier Paper?

    I got some Boise 24 lb laserjet paper from staples. Decent paper, I do find myself missing dots/lines though. Im starting to change my opinion that i might as well spend a litttle more for proves brands.. rhodia isnt thst expensive either ( but that's my opinion). Proven brands are just more consistent.

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    Default Re: Rhodia-like Copier Paper?

    Quote Originally Posted by noahs_ark View Post
    I got some Boise 24 lb laserjet paper from staples. Decent paper, I do find myself missing dots/lines though. Im starting to change my opinion that i might as well spend a litttle more for proves brands.. rhodia isnt thst expensive either ( but that's my opinion). Proven brands are just more consistent.
    I wish Rhodia was loose so I could run it through the printer to get worksheets printed onto it. I am excited to see if Tomoe River and the Kokuyo KB paper will work. If not, I'll try the Boise #24 from Staples provided it does not feather.

    The current printer paper I am using, Boise X9 20 lb, is unpleasantly rough and feathers quite a bit.
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    Default Re: Rhodia-like Copier Paper?

    Rhodia is only one brand of paper to consider. Have a look at this distributor's website: https://www.exaclair.com

    I suggest you phone Alan Cohen at Crazy Alan's Emporium, an office supply store in Chapel Hill. He always has several tables at the pen shows, and as a fountain pen fan himself, he offers the papers we like best (and lots of other stuff). He has not only Rhodia pads, but other stationary and at discounted fellow-pen-fan prices. I always stock up from him. I've called him for an order when I ran out of G. Lalo envelopes before the next pen show. He will know what will satisfy your wants if you explain you are a fountain pen guy.

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    Default Re: Rhodia-like Copier Paper?

    I just tried the Kokuyo KB. It is 64 grams and FSP certified. It's almost twice as expensive as the HP 28 lb paper, at $20/500 sheets on Amazon.

    It is thicker than Tomoe River but feels almost as smooth. The feedback from both papers was subtle, perhaps even negligible (how much smoother does it need to be?).

    Tomoe River will leave a sheen from the ink and show more color variation. I find this distracting but see how some people will like it. The Kokuo KB showed color variation but not as dramatically as Tomoe River. Neither papers showed feathering when using Iroshizuku Shin-Kai. Neither had much bleed through and both took an equal amount of time to dry.

    When I run out of the Kokuyo I'll try the HP 28 lb., but for my needs the Kokuyo is great for my needs: a FP friendly paper I can place in the printer

    My hand was a bit shaky today but I am attaching some samples of the Kokuyo. This is from a vintage fine flex nib, inked with Iroshizuku Shin-Kai. The # is the size of a nickel, the 8 close-up is the size of a quarter. The numbers are about 1" tall and not fully dried.
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    Default Re: Rhodia-like Copier Paper?

    If I want to write on something I print with my laser printer than I use Clairefontaine DCP paper (120 gram, bus other thickness is available I think).
    This paper is very smooth like very very smooth.
    Writing with an Italic nib on is with an very whet ink like J.Herbin - Eclat de Saphir is not that great for some reason (my experience).
    With an fine or extra fine nib I love to write on it.
    Before I had Oxford paper (witch I like most) I only used this Clairefontaine paper to write on.
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    Here's the Boise 24lb paper (package and an example). Not the worst, and reasonable smooth, so I'll keep using it, maybe play with making my own little notepads. Super wet writer's aren't great though, definitely some bleedthrough with the FPR 1.1mm stub (pretty wet writer, top line).

    Trying to stop myself from buying reams and reams of different papers to try haha. Hope this helps

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    Default Re: Rhodia-like Copier Paper?

    The Staples Sugar Cane copy paper works really well.
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    Yeah, I keep reading about the sugar cane one, its available in 3 ream packages I think. Is the feathering good? Better than my picture I hope haha

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