Yes OK, but still exposed to light, for a quite long period.
I see it that way.
When you expose colors to light for a longer period many of them will fade.
If you buying art supplies on the good stuff the manufacturer tells you about the light fastness of each color.
In general the light fastness is often proportional with the price, and even then, for specific colors itˋs hard (or sometimes impossible) to get stuff with the highest light fastness.
Also art pieces will fade when you do not protect them properly from light, UV filtering glass is a must have and even then you should not put it in direct sun light.
How could somebody expect perfect light fastness of quite cheap writing inks?
They are per ml dirt cheap compared to art supply colors.
So my humble opinion is, normal use of writing (done with ink) is to keep it away from light.
You said it we keep our notebooks closed.
Then my expectation is that the colors will remain in good condition for at least decades.
And beside a few exceptions I have no indication from my personal experience that this is not the case.
If somebody is interested I can take a photo from my about 8 year old ink journal entry of Scabiosa side by side with a new written one.
Yazeh (November 1st, 2020)
Hi Yazeh,
guilty!
I have both ig inks from the Gutenberg shop.
The "Bible Ink" starts as a bit purplish blue-black and ages to a warm black (not cold or blueish as DRI and ESSRI).
It is the driest and less lubricated ink I know.
The "Ferro-gallic ink" for dip pens is a wet ink. No additional blue dye in it.
It starts as a very light blueish color and ages quickly to purple-brown-black.
A spectacular effect!
Best wishes
Jens
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Yazeh (November 1st, 2020)
Dear Yazeh,
I will...
Just looked at the ink - it has the most spectacular oxidising effect of all inks I know!
It even starts at a barely visible light blue, then it goes light purple within seconds, the next minutes it is getting darker and darker until a deep purple-black is reached.
I mixed it up with Gutenberg G10 in the last post, going from light brown to brown-black...
Best
Jens
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Yazeh (November 2nd, 2020)
I'd be interested Ptero
I believe the original lightfast experience was because of a plant nursery in Nevada, where the sun obliterated everything....especially Sharpies... having had the same problem with labels, I use pencils, whenever I label seedlings. I read from a plantain that they could easily read plant labels written with pencil in the 1930s.
Personally, I'm happy with only water resistance. As, I just don't want my "brilliant" thoughts, ideas, obliterated, by a drop of rain, or tea....
I guess it al this stems from our mortality and we want to leave a trace before we leave this realm....
Though I pity the "scholar(s)" who discover my bulletproof journal in year 2200
I believe Sketchinks and some bulletproof inks are advertised as light and waterproof.....I'm sure Essri would be quite good too then....
Hi,
here we go:
How the dip pen ink changes color and density in 1min 25sec...
01_IG_oxidation_a.jpg
02_IG_oxidation_b.jpg
Best
Jens
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... some photos of aged writing samples may be interesting:
First swap's, two years old:
03_IG_swaps.jpg
Writing samples,two years old, wet broad nib:
04_IG_wet_nib.jpg
And finally the "Bible Ink", two months old, EEF nib:
07_B_ink.jpg
All written on Clairefontaine paper.
Best
Jens
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Here we go:
On the left side you see the text from the right side written right now (age: about 10 minutes).
On the right side you see the entry from my ink journal from spring 2013 (age: about 8 years).
The pen used to write both samples is the same, the paper is both Clairefontaine.
So both are absolutely comparable.
I can see a difference in my writing with the pen.
Gosh! Incredible how I tortured the poor pen years ago, my writing was way too heavy.
At least I think that my writing in general improved since then.
But color wise...... for me the there is no noticable fading, both is the same color tone.
I´ve looked at it in detail in reality as well as in Gimp in magnification.
So I stick to what I said previously.
If there is no light exposure there is also no fading......
So keep your notebooks closed
Comparison Scabiosa 2013 - 2020 (no fading)
(Pelikan 100N - EF ..... Rohrer & Klingner Scabiosa)
A Smug Dill (November 3rd, 2020), guyy (December 6th, 2020), junglejim (November 2nd, 2020), SchaumburgSwan (November 2nd, 2020), silverlifter (November 2nd, 2020), SlowMovingTarget (November 2nd, 2020), Yazeh (November 2nd, 2020)
... and to complete the brown-black Gutenberg G10:
05_G10.jpg
Best
Jens
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Wow Jens. Thank you so much.
That is amazing...
That ferrogallic dip pen ink looks so juicy and nice....I assume it turns black over time....
It gives us a glimpse of monks scribbling away.....
I see what you say about Essri and Ackerman... They look quite nice and dark.....
And that Bibie ink has kept most of its purple. I remember when you first wrote in the Guess this ink, it turned black.... after a few days... it seems with time it has reverted to purple...
And that Gutenberg 10, wow that looks amazing. It's funny it's sold as black, but it turns brown....
I can understand now, why you guys are so fascinated with Iron gall inks.... Transformation while writing, and over time......
Ptero thanks for taking the time and posting a comparison. It took me sometime to realize that used the same pen for the same ink. It seems that over time, your handwriting has relaxed.... must be the drawing
Pterodactylus (November 2nd, 2020)
Jens, your post is tempting me to get Gutenberg Urkunden, instead of Essri. Is it safe for fountain pens? And how does it behave?
Hi,
I would get both... ;-)
Hmm, safe? Depends on your habits, pens... I use it in vintage ones with ink sacs, 14K nibs, ebonite feeds - made for such inks. No steel nibs, no ink windows.
In my experience it is comparable safe to DRI/Akk#10 or ESSRI.
Gutenberg themself declare it for fp's:
https://www.laeufer-gutenberg.de/pro...%2212%22%3B%7D
G10 is a dry ink, good water resistance, nice sepia color, not as dark as ESSRI et al.
I hope that helps...
Best
Jens
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Translation as follows, curtsey of google translate:
The exclusive Gutenberg certificate ink for fountain pens, which is still handcrafted today, is an ink for those special moments in life. The Gutenberg certificate ink penetrates the paper and becomes immortal. It is practically impossible to erase and, due to its special composition, remains insensitive to chemical erasers.
Dear Yazeh,
automated translate has improved, it seems...
I wonder who makes the G10... is there an ink lab at Läufer-Gutenberg? Or is it supplied by others like Stark's Tinte or even DeAtramentis?
Ha! Traditional german advertising "bla"! :-)
Greetings
Jens
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Yazeh (November 3rd, 2020)
Hi Jens, I ordered a Gutenberg. The price seemed slightly cheap, 9 € and no shipping fee. I got a confirmation email... So we'll see
As for the "German"advertising..
I guess there's a bit of lie in any advertising anyway....
Imagine if a company said, that the following drink, would help you intake the equivalent of 14 sugar cubes and would have serious long term health effects.... but it tastes good
The same goes for inks..
The following ink would clog your pen, you need to invest ideally in sonic cleaner, ink flush, ink solution.....but you would be one of the few who would own it
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