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    Default Re: Essri vs Salix......

    Quote Originally Posted by aquafox View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by SchaumburgSwan View Post
    Hi,

    also keep in mind that ESSRI is designed to loose most of it's blue when aging (I mean over months not days).
    Same for Diamine Registrar's / Akkerman #10.
    If it shades? Potentially yes, if the pen is not too wet.
    Btw. ironically I had the nicest shading with nearly rotten DRI... :-)
    Salix stays at a dark blue color, Pelikan 4001 Blue-Black is less saturated, but remains a nice blue-black.

    Best wishes
    Jens
    That reminds me of the Bible Ink
    when it went from purple to black. Though I had understood that Essri would copy/scan as a different colour than black for barristers/lawyers in the UK....
    I guess I have to get one and see
    Aaaaaahhhh... The serendipity of discovering new inks.

    And the sadness of the postage cost
    Maybe the shipping is not so high in Europe. The 100 shipping is for North America.....Which seems excessive. I might drop them a word

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    Default Re: Essri vs Salix......

    Quote Originally Posted by Yazeh View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by aquafox View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by SchaumburgSwan View Post
    Hi,

    also keep in mind that ESSRI is designed to loose most of it's blue when aging (I mean over months not days).
    Same for Diamine Registrar's / Akkerman #10.
    If it shades? Potentially yes, if the pen is not too wet.
    Btw. ironically I had the nicest shading with nearly rotten DRI... :-)
    Salix stays at a dark blue color, Pelikan 4001 Blue-Black is less saturated, but remains a nice blue-black.

    Best wishes
    Jens
    That reminds me of the Bible Ink
    when it went from purple to black. Though I had understood that Essri would copy/scan as a different colour than black for barristers/lawyers in the UK....
    I guess I have to get one and see
    Aaaaaahhhh... The serendipity of discovering new inks.

    And the sadness of the postage cost
    Maybe the shipping is not so high in Europe. The 100 shipping is for North America.....Which seems excessive. I might drop them a word
    I was thinking the same. Other German companies can offer free shipping on relatively small orders, so we know it's not a matter of cost. I think this is a non profit, so a little more would be acceptable, but 100 feels like a snub. Did they really intend to be perceived as having such an attitude?

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    Default Re: Essri vs Salix......

    Quote Originally Posted by Yazeh View Post
    Essri vs Salix
    Sounds like a spin-off of King Kong v Godzila.

    Meanwhile, why not buy both?

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    Default Re: Essri vs Salix......

    Quote Originally Posted by aquafox View Post

    Aaaaaahhhh... The serendipity of discovering new inks.

    And the sadness of the postage cost
    Indeed.
    Two more by Thom, the top ig expert of our german fp forum (Penexchange.de):
    https://www.kalligraphie-shop.com/Ei...ml-in-2-Farben.
    Reddish(!) or Blue-Black. Haven't tried yet...
    He also did a green one:
    https://www.penexchange.de/forum_neu...end&start=2205


    Best
    Jens
    Last edited by SchaumburgSwan; November 3rd, 2020 at 10:11 PM.
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    Default Re: Essri vs Salix......

    Quote Originally Posted by FredRydr View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Yazeh View Post
    Essri vs Salix
    Sounds like a spin-off of King Kong v Godzila.

    Meanwhile, why not buy both?
    I am not a fan of blue blacks in general. So having two bottles of a shade, which I don't gravitate toward seems more like wasteful. I have several bottle like that sitting in the corner. I don't need more

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    Default Re: Essri vs Salix......

    Quote Originally Posted by SchaumburgSwan View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by aquafox View Post

    Aaaaaahhhh... The serendipity of discovering new inks.

    And the sadness of the postage cost
    Indeed.
    Two more by Thom, the top ig expert of our german fp forum (Penexchange.de):
    https://www.kalligraphie-shop.com/Ei...ml-in-2-Farben.
    Reddish(!) or Blue-Black. Haven't tried yet...
    He also did a green one:
    https://www.penexchange.de/forum_neu...end&start=2205


    Best
    Jens
    Are they Iron gall too?

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    Default Re: Essri vs Salix......

    Quote Originally Posted by Yazeh View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by aquafox View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Yazeh View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by SchaumburgSwan View Post
    Hi,

    also keep in mind that ESSRI is designed to loose most of it's blue when aging (I mean over months not days).
    Same for Diamine Registrar's / Akkerman #10.
    If it shades? Potentially yes, if the pen is not too wet.
    Btw. ironically I had the nicest shading with nearly rotten DRI... :-)
    Salix stays at a dark blue color, Pelikan 4001 Blue-Black is less saturated, but remains a nice blue-black.

    Best wishes
    Jens
    That reminds me of the Bible Ink
    when it went from purple to black. Though I had understood that Essri would copy/scan as a different colour than black for barristers/lawyers in the UK....
    I guess I have to get one and see
    Aaaaaahhhh... The serendipity of discovering new inks.

    And the sadness of the postage cost
    Maybe the shipping is not so high in Europe. The 100 shipping is for North America.....Which seems excessive. I might drop them a word
    21 EU postage.
    Which is triple the cost of the ink.
    I am inclined to believe they are using DHL or a similar express courier. I refuse to believe that such a high postage cost is for Deutsche Brief Post.

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    Default Re: Essri vs Salix......

    Quote Originally Posted by Yazeh View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by SchaumburgSwan View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by aquafox View Post

    Aaaaaahhhh... The serendipity of discovering new inks.

    And the sadness of the postage cost
    Indeed.
    Two more by Thom, the top ig expert of our german fp forum (Penexchange.de):
    https://www.kalligraphie-shop.com/Ei...ml-in-2-Farben.
    Reddish(!) or Blue-Black. Haven't tried yet...
    He also did a green one:
    https://www.penexchange.de/forum_neu...end&start=2205


    Best
    Jens
    Are they Iron gall too?
    Hi!

    Yes. Eisengallustinte = iron gall ink.

    Cheers
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    Default Re: Essri vs Salix......

    Quote Originally Posted by aquafox View Post

    21 EU postage.
    Which is triple the cost of the ink.
    I am inclined to believe they are using DHL or a similar express courier. I refuse to believe that such a high postage cost is for Deutsche Brief Post.
    Wow. Still very expensive....

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    Default Re: Essri vs Salix......

    Quote Originally Posted by SchaumburgSwan View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Yazeh View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by SchaumburgSwan View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by aquafox View Post

    Aaaaaahhhh... The serendipity of discovering new inks.

    And the sadness of the postage cost
    Indeed.
    Two more by Thom, the top ig expert of our german fp forum (Penexchange.de):
    https://www.kalligraphie-shop.com/Ei...ml-in-2-Farben.
    Reddish(!) or Blue-Black. Haven't tried yet...
    He also did a green one:
    https://www.penexchange.de/forum_neu...end&start=2205


    Best
    Jens
    Are they Iron gall too?
    Hi!

    Yes. Eisengallustinte = iron gall ink.

    Cheers
    Jens
    Thanks Jens... From what I gathered thanks to google translate that these iron gall or Eisengallustinte aren't as waterproof as others......
    Stipula also has also 4 ferrogallic inks.....
    Last edited by Yazeh; November 4th, 2020 at 08:10 AM.

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    Default Re: Essri vs Salix......

    Quote Originally Posted by Yazeh View Post
    Maybe the shipping is not so high in Europe. The 100 shipping is for North America.....Which seems excessive. I might drop them a word
    News from Gutenberg shop regarding the shipping rates?

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    Default Re: Essri vs Salix......

    Quote Originally Posted by aquafox View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Yazeh View Post
    Maybe the shipping is not so high in Europe. The 100 shipping is for North America.....Which seems excessive. I might drop them a word
    News from Gutenberg shop regarding the shipping rates?
    Sorry. I forgot to write to them. I got another ink, which has still not arrived after a month

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    Default Re: Essri vs Salix......

    Quote Originally Posted by aquafox View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Yazeh View Post
    Maybe the shipping is not so high in Europe. The 100 shipping is for North America.....Which seems excessive. I might drop them a word
    News from Gutenberg shop regarding the shipping rates?
    I dropped them an email, right now. Maybe if others send them emails too, they might become aware that there is an ink market outside of Germany....
    Here is their email:

    order@gutenberg-shop.de

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    Default Re: Essri vs Salix......

    Don't bother to email. The price is right. They said it might be even higher depending what I order

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    Default Re: Essri vs Salix......

    Quote Originally Posted by Yazeh View Post
    Don't bother to email. The price is right. They said it might be even higher depending what I order
    What!!!

    And other German companies can offer free shipping to North America on orders over $50.

    This is definitely a snub by Gutenberg.

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    Default Re: Essri vs Salix......

    Salix always looked wimpy to me. I've used ESRRI for almost 10 years. When I want a dark, permanent ink, that's the one I use for IG. My bottle is almost gone so I might try some others before re-ordering, just to see what's out there.
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    Default Re: Essri vs Salix......

    Quote Originally Posted by Jon Szanto View Post
    Salix always looked wimpy to me. I've used ESRRI for almost 10 years. When I want a dark, permanent ink, that's the one I use for IG. My bottle is almost gone so I might try some others before re-ordering, just to see what's out there.
    Salix is wimpy? Well I'm glad to hear that from a reliable source, because that's what I've decided based on a lot looking at posted swabs. I was almost going to order a bottle based on some people's insistence that it's a strong color. Now I won't.

    I like Scabiosa. It's not exactly strong, it's a bit dusty, but I think it's a classic old fashioned color. I've been trying the KWZ inks lately, and so far they're satisfying my need for a strong and saturated look.

    KWZ IG green #4 - Perhaps a little too green on some papers, but gets darker, and is almost black on darker parts.
    KWZ IG red - Very dark, and on my cotton papers in fact brown black after a minute or two. You can see the red if you only put down a dry line.
    KWZ IG blue black - Very strong traditional blue black. This is an archival quality IG which is much stronger than any other KWZ IG. I change my tastes over time, but this one is definitely a keeper for me.

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    Default Re: Essri vs Salix......

    Quote Originally Posted by Ole Juul View Post
    Salix is wimpy? Well I'm glad to hear that from a reliable source, because that's what I've decided based on a lot looking at posted swabs. I was almost going to order a bottle based on some people's insistence that it's a strong color. Now I won't.

    I like Scabiosa. It's not exactly strong, it's a bit dusty, but I think it's a classic old fashioned color. I've been trying the KWZ inks lately, and so far they're satisfying my need for a strong and saturated look.
    I am a bleeding idiot (and I was typing before the require intake of caffeine. I meant Scabiosa, dusty grey/lavender, vintage-looking ink. I'm very sorry for the mix-up. I don't have a hard take on Salix, but for a dark blue-black IG, I still have been sticking with ESRRI.

    I've got a few IG inks from KWZ as well, including Gr. #4, but I just don't tend to use them that often. The fact is, I only use those 'type' of inks (waterproofness, mainly) for external correspondence (postcards and addressing) and for that my two constant, regular inks are Namiki Blue and Sailor Kiwa-guro (pigment black).

    Sorry for derailing and offering bad info. I've corrected my initial post.
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    Default Re: Essri vs Salix......

    I love Salix - I have at least one pen always inked with it for when I need permanent/waterproof (I fill in a lot of customs forms!) and really enjoy watching the colour change. I like ESS, but I found it deteriorated faster than the Salix, and I don't use enough to be dealing with sludge in the bottom of the bottle, let alone in a pen.

    It's what puts me off getting some of the KWZ ig inks - I think the colours are wonderful, but I'm not sure if they don't also have a limited shelf life, and I don't get through the fun colours quickly enough to risk it.

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    @mizgeorge, you might like this information about KWZ inks.

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