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    Default Re: Essri vs Salix......

    Quote Originally Posted by Jon Szanto View Post
    . . . I don't have a hard take on Salix, but for a dark blue-black IG, I still have been sticking with ESRRI.
    No problem. I should say that KWZ blue-black is very saturated and almost black on some papers, so it might be still be a contender.

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    Default Re: Essri vs Salix......

    Quote Originally Posted by Ole Juul View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Yazeh View Post
    Don't bother to email. The price is right. They said it might be even higher depending what I order
    What!!!

    And other German companies can offer free shipping to North America on orders over $50.

    This is definitely a snub by Gutenberg.
    It is or the might use DHL as another posted suggested. This way you actually receive your package and in good timing. Though it doesn't justify for one bottle of bible ink. But many bottles, their antique dip pen inks, especially the IG one, and some nice parchment paper

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    Default Re: Essri vs Salix......

    Quote Originally Posted by Ole Juul View Post
    @mizgeorge, you might like this information about KWZ inks.
    Thank you! Not sure it makes me feel better though. I might just content myself with a few samples to try the colours.

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    Default Re: Essri vs Salix......

    Quote Originally Posted by Jon Szanto View Post
    Salix always looked wimpy to me. I've used ESRRI for almost 10 years. When I want a dark, permanent ink, that's the one I use for IG. My bottle is almost gone so I might try some others before re-ordering, just to see what's out there.

    Salix by Ptero Ptero, auf Flickr

    (Serwex MB - flex EMF ..... Rohrer & Klingner Salix)

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    Default Re: Essri vs Salix......

    Ptero Jon, meant Scabiosa. He was tired

    Jon Scabiosa, needs to find the right pen and paper and it won't be that wimpy.....Scabiosa on copy paper is a dark rich purple.....

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    Default Re: Essri vs Salix......

    Quote Originally Posted by Yazeh View Post
    Ptero Jon, meant Scabiosa. He was tired

    Jon Scabiosa, needs to find the right pen and paper and it won't be that wimpy.....Scabiosa on copy paper is a dark rich purple.....
    Thanks for clarification Yazeh.

    As you said I also think that Scabiosa is not wimpy.

    An example with a EF nib:

    Quote Winston Churchill by Ptero Pterodactylus on DeviantArt

    (Pelikan 100N - EF ..... Rohrer & Klingner Scabiosa)

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    Default Re: Essri vs Salix......

    Jens if you're around. I finally got a bottle of Gutenberg Urkundentinte G10.
    The colour is a washed out light brown.
    Is that your experience?

    This is on TR paper (68 gr)
    Written first with two wet vintage pens:
    Guess -TR.jpg


    This is on cheap absorbent paper
    Guess .jpg

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    For years, I've kept MB old-style IG blue-black in a 146 for signing checks and the like. A couple months ago, I decided to switch to ESSRI after comparing their color. Within a month, I started having problems with flow. I thoroughly flushed and refilled with ESSRI. Still problems. I disassembled the section end, ultrasonic treatment, cleaned it all again and used vinegar solution this time, with a final rinse. Refilled with ESSRI. No improvement. I flushed and put the 146 away for the first time in years, while I decide which pen will be my replacement for IG signatures. I suppose I better have a close look at what's in the ESSRI bottle besides liquid.

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    Default Re: Essri vs Salix......

    Do people still sign checks? How very 20th century.

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    Default Re: Essri vs Salix......

    Quote Originally Posted by FredRydr View Post
    For years, I've kept MB old-style IG blue-black in a 146 for signing checks and the like. A couple months ago, I decided to switch to ESSRI after comparing their color. Within a month, I started having problems with flow. I thoroughly flushed and refilled with ESSRI. Still problems. I disassembled the section end, ultrasonic treatment, cleaned it all again and used vinegar solution this time, with a final rinse. Refilled with ESSRI. No improvement. I flushed and put the 146 away for the first time in years, while I decide which pen will be my replacement for IG signatures. I suppose I better have a close look at what's in the ESSRI bottle besides liquid.
    Fred I read somewhere, that Essri has a one year expiration date.

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    Default Re: Essri vs Salix......

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    Quote Originally Posted by FredRydr View Post
    Fred I read somewhere, that Essri has a one year expiration date.
    Then what happens? Earlier this century, Montblanc had begun to put dates of manufacture on the bottom of their bottles, but I paid them no heed. I'm so used to sell-by-dates on food that I don't know what to believe anymore (though they are pretty reliable on organic milk).

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    Default Re: Essri vs Salix......

    Sample size of one.

    I bought a 110ml bottle of ESSRI in 2015. Within a year a considerable amount of precipitate had formed in the bottle so I binned it. Never had any issues in my pens, but I was wary.

    Last week I became frustrated trying to fill a pen with Salix. I only have about 10ml left in the glass bottle, so I decanted it into a shot glass to submerge the nib. In so doing, I noticed precipitate in the bottom of the Salix bottle and on the neck of the bottle, reminiscent of wine lees. I washed out the bottle and restored the shot of Salix to it. No issues in any pens to report yet.

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    Default Re: Essri vs Salix......

    Last edited by FredRydr; April 25th, 2021 at 07:28 AM.

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    Default Re: Essri vs Salix......

    Dear Yazeh,

    yes, my G10 comes onto the paper as washed out light brown, too.

    The final hue/color looks like the dark parts on your samples.
    Then it darkens quickly on alkaline paper like Clairefontaine - on neutral ones it takes longer.
    Your samples look as pale as eg MB Swan Illusion, much lighter than mine.
    Here Gutenberg G10 is not as dark as DRI, ESSRI or Akkermann G10, but darker than R&K Salix.
    A wet wet noodle should match perfectly. Were your nibs dipped only?

    Best wishes
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yazeh View Post
    Jens if you're around. I finally got a bottle of Gutenberg Urkundentinte G10.
    The colour is a washed out light brown.
    Is that your experience?
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    https://www.flickr.com/photos/136145166@N02/albums

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    Quote Originally Posted by Schaumburg_Swan View Post
    Dear Yazeh,

    yes, my G10 comes onto the paper as washed out light brown, too.

    The final hue/color looks like the dark parts on your samples.
    Then it darkens quickly on alkaline paper like Clairefontaine - on neutral ones it takes longer.
    Your samples look as pale as eg MB Swan Illusion, much lighter than mine.
    Here Gutenberg G10 is not as dark as DRI, ESSRI or Akkermann G10, but darker than R&K Salix.
    A wet wet noodle should match perfectly. Were your nibs dipped only?

    Best wishes
    Jens

    Quote Originally Posted by Yazeh View Post
    Jens if you're around. I finally got a bottle of Gutenberg Urkundentinte G10.
    The colour is a washed out light brown.
    Is that your experience?
    No. I filled four pens. The samples are written with one Unic wet noodle and a wet Conway Stewart 330 oblique nib.
    The darker line is with the wet noodle.
    I also filled a Kaweco EF. It was awful on Japanese paper.
    I'll see if I have some Clairefontaine left.
    T
    he second sample is on cheap absorbent paper.
    The ink does not oxidize, like the Bible ink.
    It's wet, almost watery but it has no lubrication, making it dry.

    And it pools on paper. Very strange ink indeed....

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    Default Re: Essri vs Salix......

    Hi Yazeh,

    that is really strange. Mine does do a clear change on the paper, like the Bible ink.
    The color of your writing samples show that it is oxydised, imo. Sorry to say.
    Hmm.

    Jens

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yazeh View Post
    Jens if you're around. I finally got a bottle of Gutenberg Urkundentinte G10.
    The colour is a washed out light brown.
    Is that your experience?
    No. I filled four pens. The samples are written with one Unic wet noodle and a wet Conway Stewart 330 oblique nib.
    The darker line is with the wet noodle.
    I also filled a Kaweco EF. It was awful on Japanese paper.
    I'll see if I have some Clairefontaine left.
    T
    he second sample is on cheap absorbent paper.
    The ink does not oxidize, like the Bible ink.
    It's wet, almost watery but it has no lubrication, making it dry.

    And it pools on paper. Very strange ink indeed....
    Schaumburg_Swan aka SchaumburgSwan
    https://www.flickr.com/photos/136145166@N02/albums

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    Default Re: Essri vs Salix......

    Quote Originally Posted by Schaumburg_Swan View Post
    Hi Yazeh,

    that is really strange. Mine does do a clear change on the paper, like the Bible ink.
    The color of your writing samples show that it is oxydised, imo. Sorry to say.
    Hmm.

    Jens

    I contacted the seller. And send them a sample writing. They said that it doesn't look right.
    They are debating whether to refund me or send me a new bottle.
    When I empty my pens, I see a lovely black/brown.
    But on paper it's a washed out brown. It's lighter than diamine sepia...
    Last edited by Yazeh; April 27th, 2021 at 02:52 PM.

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    Default Re: Essri vs Salix......

    I did a swab test... look how pale it looks.. this is after 3 days...

    Coloring swab.jpeg

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