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    Default Essri vs Salix......

    I tried a sample of Salix.....My second Iron gall.... Jens and Silverlifter's side effects
    I really loved it in a wide fude nib, elegant , beautiful shading... well behaved.

    However, I disliked it as much with a medium nib...
    I was tempted to buy a bottle of Essri, as Salix would cost me the same should I buy a bottle.

    I was wondering if anyone has experience with both....and can share them with me....

    I tend to marry off my pens with specific inks......to avoid having an excessive pen hygiene.. I have enough of with COVID...

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    Default Re: Essri vs Salix......

    What was it that you disliked about it in the medium nib?
    Vintage. Cursive italic. Iron gall.

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    Default Re: Essri vs Salix......

    Hmmm a would also like to know what you did not liked.

    At least for me there is nothing I dislike on Salix.
    It΄s a bit pale and compared to the ESS ink a less intensive color..... but ok they are different.


    Quote Benjamin Franklin by Ptero Pterodactylus on DeviantArt

    (Serwex MB flex EMF ..... Rohrer & Klingner Salix)



    Clever and Smart - Fred Clever by Ptero Pterodactylus on DeviantArt

    (Serwex MB flex EMF ..... ESS Registrars Blue/Black, Diamine Calligraphy Passion)


    Imho none of these need special pen hygiene or excessive cleaning / maintenance.
    I use both since years and had for example ESSRI for years permanently inked up in that Serwex (also with a couple of times dried out, just refilled it again and again and again and again.....) without any special treatment and without any troubles.
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    Default Re: Essri vs Salix......

    Thanks for letting me know. I found Salix flat with a medium nib. No shading. So I had to use a wide nib to have the elegant shading....

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    Default Re: Essri vs Salix......

    Ptero I love your drawing, especially that colour.....
    And I have inked 2 pens with Scabiosa.... I don't bother to clean....
    The pen hygiene was more with my bulletproof inks.....especially Kung Te Cheng
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    Default Re: Essri vs Salix......

    Does Essri shade at all... or does it shade with a medium nib?

    I really like Salix's shading with a fude nib..
    While it looks nice in the scan with a medium nib.... to the naked eye it looks slightly flat....
    Or maybe I'm just nitpicking....

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    Default Re: Essri vs Salix......

    ESSRI is definitely darker and stronger in tone.
    So I guess you might like ESRI more.

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    Default Re: Essri vs Salix......

    Quote Originally Posted by Yazeh View Post
    I tend to marry off my pens with specific inks......to avoid having an excessive pen hygiene..
    I take it you mean the pen hygiene needed when changing inks. I do the same. But I think others misunderstood you.

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    Default Re: Essri vs Salix......

    Quote Originally Posted by Ole Juul View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Yazeh View Post
    I tend to marry off my pens with specific inks......to avoid having an excessive pen hygiene..
    I take it you mean the pen hygiene needed when changing inks. I do the same. But I think others misunderstood you.
    Yes indeed. I feel like a matchmaker for my pens and inks

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    Default Re: Essri vs Salix......

    Hi,

    also keep in mind that ESSRI is designed to loose most of it's blue when aging (I mean over months not days).
    Same for Diamine Registrar's / Akkerman #10.
    If it shades? Potentially yes, if the pen is not too wet.
    Btw. ironically I had the nicest shading with nearly rotten DRI... :-)
    Salix stays at a dark blue color, Pelikan 4001 Blue-Black is less saturated, but remains a nice blue-black.

    Best wishes
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    Default Re: Essri vs Salix......

    Quote Originally Posted by SchaumburgSwan View Post
    Hi,

    also keep in mind that ESSRI is designed to loose most of it's blue when aging (I mean over months not days).
    Same for Diamine Registrar's / Akkerman #10.
    If it shades? Potentially yes, if the pen is not too wet.
    Btw. ironically I had the nicest shading with nearly rotten DRI... :-)
    Salix stays at a dark blue color, Pelikan 4001 Blue-Black is less saturated, but remains a nice blue-black.

    Best wishes
    Jens
    I donˋt think that any ink is designed to loose itˋs color, when it happens it happens because of light exposure (most of the time) or when the dye or pigment isnˋt long time stable (less likely, and indicates low quality product).
    It could also be related to chemical reactions of (poor quality) paper.

    My oldest ESSRI writing is now about 8-9 years old and did not changed at all (I would not expect this from any ink, otherwise it is a design flaw like with Parker blue-black).

    When you expose inks to direct sun light this is a different story, then most inks will fade, some even kind of disappear.
    But the IG part of IG inks will also remain as grayish color and remain legible.

    I agree with you that such things can happen, but for me this is not matter of months, for me itˋs a matter of many decades or even centuries.
    You can see such effects in centuries old manuscripts where colors might degenerated but the iron gall is still (grayish - black) there.

    What also could have happened with such old manuscripts is Iron-Gall pitting corrosion of the paper where way too strong iron gall inks (they were brewed quite inconsistent and with many recipes) eaten up the paper over centuries.
    But with our modern low concentration (consistent) IG inks this is more than unlikely.

    My oldest personal writing which I still have (from school) is now about 40 years old and the colors (several Pelikan 4001) are still in perfect condition (no sun exposure).

    I also inherited a handwritten recipe book (about 75-80 years old) from my grandmother last year which contains ink writing in blue, black and green (along with pencil entries) where the colors are also still perfectly fine, only the paper has suffered (poor war time quality).
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    Default Re: Essri vs Salix......

    Quote Originally Posted by Pterodactylus View Post

    I donˋt think that any ink is designed to loose itˋs color, when it happens it happens because of light exposure (most of the time) or when the dye or pigment isnˋt long time stable (less likely, and indicates low quality product).
    It could also be related to chemical reactions of (poor quality) paper.

    My oldest ESSRI writing is now about 8-9 years old and did not changed at all (I would not expect this from any ink, otherwise it is a design flaw like with Parker blue-black).

    When you expose inks to direct sun light this is a different story, then most inks will fade, some even kind of disappear.
    But the IG part of IG inks will also remain as grayish color and remain legible.

    I agree with you that such things can happen, but for me this is not matter of months, for me itˋs a matter of many decades or even centuries.
    You can see such effects in centuries old manuscripts where colors might degenerated but the iron gall is still (grayish - black) there.

    What also could have happened with such old manuscripts is Iron-Gall pitting corrosion of the paper where way too strong iron gall inks (they were brewed quite inconsistent and with many recipes) eaten up the paper over centuries.
    But with our modern low concentration (consistent) IG inks this is more than unlikely.

    My oldest personal writing which I still have (from school) is now about 40 years old and the colors (several Pelikan 4001) are still in perfect condition (no sun exposure).

    I also inherited a handwritten recipe book (about 75-80 years old) from my grandmother last year which contains ink writing in blue, black and green (along with pencil entries) where the colors are also still perfectly fine, only the paper has suffered (poor war time quality).
    Thanks for sharing this info. I'd read that people like this ink because it's even more unpredictable (than other inks) depending pen/ paper combo...hence my curiosity...

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    Quote Originally Posted by SchaumburgSwan View Post
    Hi,

    also keep in mind that ESSRI is designed to loose most of it's blue when aging (I mean over months not days).
    Same for Diamine Registrar's / Akkerman #10.
    If it shades? Potentially yes, if the pen is not too wet.
    Btw. ironically I had the nicest shading with nearly rotten DRI... :-)
    Salix stays at a dark blue color, Pelikan 4001 Blue-Black is less saturated, but remains a nice blue-black.

    Best wishes
    Jens
    That reminds me of the Bible Ink
    when it went from purple to black. Though I had understood that Essri would copy/scan as a different colour than black for barristers/lawyers in the UK....
    I guess I have to get one and see

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yazeh View Post
    That reminds me of the Bible Ink
    when it went from purple to black. Though I had understood that Essri would copy/scan as a different colour than black for barristers/lawyers in the UK....
    I guess I have to get one and see
    I just took a look at that Bible Ink and decided I needed to buy it. It's only €5.80 so I thought I'd get a couple of bottles. They take Paypal and credit cards so no problem paying. I found one small problem with buying from them however. They have a flat fee of €100.00 for international shipping! Subsequently I am reconsidering my purchase.

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    Default Re: Essri vs Salix......

    Quote Originally Posted by Ole Juul View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Yazeh View Post
    That reminds me of the Bible Ink
    when it went from purple to black. Though I had understood that Essri would copy/scan as a different colour than black for barristers/lawyers in the UK....
    I guess I have to get one and see
    I just took a look at that Bible Ink and decided I needed to buy it. It's only €5.80 so I thought I'd get a couple of bottles. They take Paypal and credit cards so no problem paying. I found one small problem with buying from them however. They have a flat fee of €100.00 for international shipping! Subsequently I am reconsidering my purchase.
    Yes I had the same shock.....My sole consolation is that Jens said it's very dry and it turns black....
    They have also some very nice dip pen inks, one of which is iron gall. I'm sure Jens has a bottle of that too

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    Default Re: Essri vs Salix......

    Quote Originally Posted by Yazeh View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Ole Juul View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Yazeh View Post
    That reminds me of the Bible Ink
    when it went from purple to black. Though I had understood that Essri would copy/scan as a different colour than black for barristers/lawyers in the UK....
    I guess I have to get one and see
    I just took a look at that Bible Ink and decided I needed to buy it. It's only €5.80 so I thought I'd get a couple of bottles. They take Paypal and credit cards so no problem paying. I found one small problem with buying from them however. They have a flat fee of €100.00 for international shipping! Subsequently I am reconsidering my purchase.
    Yes I had the same shock.....My sole consolation is that Jens said it's very dry and it turns black....
    They have also some very nice dip pen inks, one of which is iron gall. I'm sure Jens has a bottle of that too
    Hi Yazeh,

    guilty!
    I have both ig inks from the Gutenberg shop.
    The "Bible Ink" starts as a bit purplish blue-black and ages to a warm black (not cold or blueish as DRI and ESSRI).
    It is the driest and less lubricated ink I know.

    The "Ferro-gallic ink" for dip pens is a wet ink. No additional blue dye in it.
    It starts as a very light blueish color and ages quickly to purple-brown-black.
    A spectacular effect!

    Best wishes
    Jens
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    Default Re: Essri vs Salix......

    Quote Originally Posted by Ole Juul View Post
    hey have a flat fee of €100.00 for international shipping!
    You want the Gideons Bible Ink: that is distributed for free!
    Vintage. Cursive italic. Iron gall.

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    Default Re: Essri vs Salix......

    Quote Originally Posted by silverlifter View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Ole Juul View Post
    hey have a flat fee of €100.00 for international shipping!
    You want the Gideons Bible Ink: that is distributed for free!
    lol

    I've stayed in cheap hotels and looked in the night table drawer but I've never seen any ink there. You have another source?

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    Default Re: Essri vs Salix......

    Quote Originally Posted by Yazeh View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by SchaumburgSwan View Post
    Hi,

    also keep in mind that ESSRI is designed to loose most of it's blue when aging (I mean over months not days).
    Same for Diamine Registrar's / Akkerman #10.
    If it shades? Potentially yes, if the pen is not too wet.
    Btw. ironically I had the nicest shading with nearly rotten DRI... :-)
    Salix stays at a dark blue color, Pelikan 4001 Blue-Black is less saturated, but remains a nice blue-black.

    Best wishes
    Jens
    That reminds me of the Bible Ink
    when it went from purple to black. Though I had understood that Essri would copy/scan as a different colour than black for barristers/lawyers in the UK....
    I guess I have to get one and see
    Aaaaaahhhh... The serendipity of discovering new inks.

    And the sadness of the postage cost

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    Default Re: Essri vs Salix......

    Quote Originally Posted by aquafox View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Yazeh View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by SchaumburgSwan View Post
    Hi,

    also keep in mind that ESSRI is designed to loose most of it's blue when aging (I mean over months not days).
    Same for Diamine Registrar's / Akkerman #10.
    If it shades? Potentially yes, if the pen is not too wet.
    Btw. ironically I had the nicest shading with nearly rotten DRI... :-)
    Salix stays at a dark blue color, Pelikan 4001 Blue-Black is less saturated, but remains a nice blue-black.

    Best wishes
    Jens
    That reminds me of the Bible Ink
    when it went from purple to black. Though I had understood that Essri would copy/scan as a different colour than black for barristers/lawyers in the UK....
    I guess I have to get one and see
    Aaaaaahhhh... The serendipity of discovering new inks.

    And the sadness of the postage cost
    Maybe the shipping is not so high in Europe. The 100 € shipping is for North America.....Which seems excessive. I might drop them a word

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