Originally Posted by
dneal
Originally Posted by
welch
Originally Posted by
dneal
Originally Posted by
Linger
I am not gloating over this dneal, I am disappointed. With idiot presidents and dictatorships and fundamental religion leaders everywhere on the planet, we need some countries to show example. So yes, from that perspective we need the USA. Unfortunately also sometimes in a military role, but primarily as a democratic, regulated, law abiding, role model of democracy. What happens now is scary.
No worries. Democracy is messy sometimes.
I said this sort of thing was going to happen. I believe my comment was something along the lines of "you have a brush fire...". This is why the concerns of election impropriety needed to be addressed and not dismissed (let alone derided). Senator Cruz (before the proceedings were disrupted) said that 40% of
Americans think the election was "rigged".
That said, the overwhelming majority of these people will go home peacefully. MAGA folks are not ANTIFA. If this is as bad as it gets, I'm ok with it.
Trump needs to tweet his thanks for their support, and that they need to go home.
Being silly, dneal. Just found some sort of bomb.
I ask again, how can we explain reality to people who believe that the moon is made of green cheese? Cruz and what Trump calls "Trump media" have screamed that the election was stolen, even as Trump filed suit 60 times and 60 times judges considered all the evidence and rejected it. Recall that Giuliani admitted to Judge Brann, US District Court in PA, that he had no evidence of voter fraud. Cruz, the treasonous scum, tells people that Trump's votes were stolen, and then howls that Trump voters don't believe he lost, and therefore all their conspiracy thinking should be treated with great tenderness. It is a feedback loop.
We went through rational investigation of all the fifty state elections. Trump's storm troopers cling to their insanity. Why should rational people keep trying to explain reality to them?
You did not go through a rational investigation, lib talking points notwithstanding. Putting up a chart (like in Georgia) of "claims" and "facts" is not an investigation. Courts dismissing cases for standing, laches, etc... is not an investigation.
Maricopa county still defies a congressional subpoena. Cases are still pending with the Supreme Court (not that they're going to do anything with them).
If Dems have nothing to hide, why not satisfy people's concerns? It's as simple as that.
What you see now is what happens when you dismiss them, as I have said for weeks. Trump bears a lot of blame for this, but not all of it.
Come off it, dneal. Be honest. You read the court findings. Not a single judge in a single case found a single bit of bel;ievable evidence in any of the 60 Republican suits filed to overthrow the election, in a coordinated attempt to overthrow democracy. I've read them all. I don't give a hoot about "laches", except that he was an Athenian general in the Second Peloponesian war. The Trump lawyers withdrew their claims of fraud in Pennsylvania. You have mistaken the decision of the US Appeals Court, written by Judge Bibas, for that of the trial court, written by Judge Brann. That's when Giuliani and the rest withdrew all claims of fraud.
Read the others. The Athenian general was a minor player compared to the outright silly claims dismissed in Michigan and Nevada and Georgia, the Kraken concocted by Fidel in Red Heaven, the pathetic beggig complaints by which Trump insisted that he won Georgia because he had big rallies. Did you watch Gabe Sterling's point-by-point refutation of Trump's psycho-wacko claims? Or listen to the entire hour-long call in which Trump and his loyal helpers assaulted logic and evidence as known by Georgia Secretary of State Raffensberger?
Still, Hawley, Cruz, and the rest claim that they cannot believe that the elections were honest. They had their chance. They failed in court. They are history.
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