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    Hi all,

    I cannot understand how this is such a CLOSE election as everyone is claiming.

    You look at the rallies and you see any of Trump's rallies and there are thousands of people there; meanwhile, the Joe "The Big Guy" Biden rallies have tens or maybe hundreds of people - and this is a razor point election???🤨

    The rallies at least make sense. Trump has done more good in 3 years - while being savagely attacked by a morally bankrupt media - than Biden has accomplished in almost 50 years.

    Trump delivered on more promises than he made - he made us completely energy independent for the first time in 79 years; he helped secure our borders and stopped the mass migrations; gave us the strongest economy we've ever seen with the lowest unemployment stats on record - including those for women and minorities; peace in the Middle East, etc., etc.

    And then theres poor Biden, who will most likely be replaced by Harris, probably within 6 months of the election, who's policy proposals are promising - higher taxes; higher energy costs; gun confiscation; a long, dark winter in lockdown and a hard shift to Marxist socialism - and this is a CLOSE election??? (Not to mention the tens of millions of dollars he most likely took from hostile foreign countries that were channeled to him through his son). And my real fear is they'll deliver on these promises as well as Trump delivered on his.

    Feel free to share your thoughts, IF YOU ARE A US CITIZEN; I don't think it's appropriate for foreigners to tell us how to run our country/election.

    - Sean
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    Default Re: I Cannot Fathom This Election

    Perhaps a member of the Internet Research Agency Or one of 'em actors from Russain with love
    Misinformation...Ya know Bullshit......Even if you are not a USA citizen feel free To buy this garbage Hook Line & Sinker from above.....

    Fred
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    Default Re: I Cannot Fathom This Election

    None of Trump's accomplishments that I've cited are bullshit. The unemployment stats are all documented. He's up for two Nobel Prizes for his work in the Middle East, etc., - and if you think Biden will handle COVID19 any better; just study how terribly he and Obama mishandled the Swine Flu epidemic during their tenure.

    - Sean

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    Default Re: I Cannot Fathom This Election

    Fred-

    No, he represents an opinion shared by many Americans. And our friends & colleagues who are not USA citizens deserve to know that some "everyday" Americans feel this way.

    You are completely entitled to your political views and preferences. And, so is he.

    To characterize his opinion as "bullshit' and "misinformation," just because you do not agree with it, is flat out wrong. And, you know it.
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    Default Re: I Cannot Fathom This Election

    Thank you, 724Seney.

    - Sean

    Hi all,

    Here's where he uses his position as vice president to have the lead prosecutor investigating his son fired by threatening to withhold US foreign aid, ("solid" meaning someone who could be bought):

    https://youtu.be/FdHWU5jDQ2w

    https://youtu.be/lrb1plsj410


    And here is the Swine Flu Debacle:

    https://youtu.be/mT9SdZ66xdE


    Maybe foriegn voices should be considered; here's a look at how he's viewed in Oz:

    https://youtu.be/ep6fnH9l-Ls


    I have a long day tomorrow, so.. Good night, America.

    - Sean
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    Setting aside the politics of each candidate, one thing I've tried to grasp is whether this sort of election will be the norm going forward or whether this is the product of a particular set of circumstances in 2020. The "daisy girl" and "Willy Horton" ads from years ago were pointed, but the 2020 presidential campaign has been one for the history books in terms of how negative from wire to wire. You can certainly expect a fair dose of negative campaigning and animosity in any election, but this one seems to have gone beyond garden variety. Each side has gone so far as to say that the country is "over" if the other side wins. Are the two sides now of such different worldviews now that any kind of real reconciliation can be made? I don't think we have the answer to that question yet, and maybe will not for some time. I can see why many people tune it all out and work to ignore it, what with there already being enough stress in their lives.

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    Whatever the outcome, if we spend billions on building the infrastructure to build/rebuild confidence in the integrity of the vote, it will be money well spent. Not much is more important to the health of a democracy than confidence that the winner, such as they are, won fair and square.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 724Seney View Post
    Fred-

    No, he represents an opinion shared by many Americans. And our friends & colleagues who are not USA citizens deserve to know that some "everyday" Americans feel this way.

    You are completely entitled to your political views and preferences. And, so is he.

    To characterize his opinion as "bullshit' and "misinformation," just because you do not agree with it, is flat out wrong. And, you know it.
    Facts and opinion are two different things......His facts are BullShit Disinformation....Not his politics...I've no problemo with anybody's political view....

    Fred
    chow time...............

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    Default Re: I Cannot Fathom This Election

    As a non US citizen, I am neither criticising nor telling anyone what is right or wrong. I am just trying to understand Trump's speech this morning. What do intelligent, educated, experienced, reasonable republicans make of that? Do they agree to his statements and claims and projected ways forward?

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    Default Re: I Cannot Fathom This Election

    Quote Originally Posted by corniche View Post
    Maybe foriegn [sic] voices should be considered; here's a look at how he's viewed [by recognised extreme right journalists employed by Murdoch.]
    Fixed the detail for you. That is a niche view here, and a pretty narrow niche at that.

    Actual Australian government views expressed in the last 24 hours by both the Prime Minister and Foreign Minister are that all votes should be counted to completion and that orderly democracy and transitions are in the world's interest as well as America's. If you want more foreign views, I can find them for you.

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    It's striking how evenly matched the two primary factions are in the U.S., almost in an "equal and opposite reaction" way in this election. And now both sides are practicing low-resolution thinking as to the counting of votes. "Stop the count" and "count all votes" both miss the mark in the sense that the goal from an enumeration standpoint is to adhere as closely as possible to the relevant state statutes and regulations. Unfortunately the statutes in some states lend themselves to chaos more than in other states. But in a scene of chaos, the statutes and regulations are perhaps the only fixed landmarks for how to proceed, so we must use them as best we can.

    As an aside, American electoral law is a very complex area. There are certain basic standards set in the federal arena, but a great deal of the body of electoral law is established by state statutes. Each state differs somewhat in how it handles elections. And even those who supposedly should know this sometimes miss the mark (I recall the case of an Assistant U.S. Attorney some years ago who threatened a number of local governments over voting accommodations, only to realize later that the state government sets the standards, not the local government).

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    I agree with Corniche, Mentally, Biden who has never been the brightest bulb in the box is clearly having mental, memory and focus issues. No wonder Harris agreed to be his VP, despite the mean and nasty accusations she threw at him earlier this year.
    Personal ambition will always top party loyalty or national interest!
    America has almost elected a confused, tired old man incapable of handling the extreme demands of the White House!
    Sad for a large nation with millions of more talented and younger people.

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    Default Re: I Cannot Fathom This Election

    I’m really happy that this stupid, primitive liar who can hardly finish even one simple sentence without including a lie is history now.
    You talk about bright bulbs? I hardly doubt that something in his head ever at least gleamed even a bit.
    Another 4 years would have been eyesore and incredible dangerous for the whole world.
    Luckily he put not the whole world on fire the last 4 years.
    The damages he did to the environment, the world community, the US people in this pandemic and the US democracy are worse enough.

    Biden will have a very hard job to clean this up and to try to heal the rift across the US citizens.
    Congrats to the winner and the world is looking forward to welcome the US back in the world community.
    I’m sure also outside the US many people will celebrate the victory of democracy.

    ByeDon !!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by corniche View Post
    I cannot understand how this is such a CLOSE election as everyone is claiming.

    You look at the rallies and you see any of Trump's rallies and there are thousands of people there; meanwhile, the Joe "The Big Guy" Biden rallies have tens or maybe hundreds of people - and this is a razor point election???🤨
    It's a real mystery alright. Historians of the future will ponder over this one...

    It's not as if there is a global pandemic that is infecting more than 1000 Americans a day and has claimed the lives of nearly 240,000. Why wouldn't intelligent people want to congregate in close proximity and shower each other in spittle as they chant about building a wall?

    Those Biden supporters that stayed home and posted their votes in must be really kicking themselves now. That'll show them for believing in science.
    Vintage. Cursive italic. Iron gall.

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    Since virtually everything Donald Trump did (with the exception of sending the deficit into orbit - he did that with the Republican Congress help) was done with an Executive Order, rather than through legislation. Therefore Mr. Biden can undo all of that mess simply by issuing his own Executive Order.

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    The ex-President should now be under close watch, in my opinion. Partly to make sure the silverware doesn't go missing, but mainly to prevent him manipulating stuff to avoid getting his just desserts in the months after President-elect Biden's inauguration. Same goes for Bill Barr and a few other associates.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Boston Brian View Post
    I agree with Corniche, Mentally,Trump who has never been the brightest bulb in the box is clearly having mental, memory and focus issues. No wonder Pence agreed to be his VP, despite the mean and nasty accusations he threw at him earlier this year.
    Personal ambition will always top party loyalty or national interest!
    America has elected a confused, tired old man incapable of handling the extreme demands of the White House!
    Sad for a large nation with millions of Covid cases with currently 237 thousand deaths and counting. So very, very sad.
    Above brought to you by the Internet Research Agency......Or

    Fred

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    Quote Originally Posted by Freddie View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Boston Brian View Post
    I agree with Corniche, Mentally,Trump who has never been the brightest bulb in the box is clearly having mental, memory and focus issues. No wonder Pence agreed to be his VP, despite the mean and nasty accusations he threw at him earlier this year.
    Personal ambition will always top party loyalty or national interest!
    America has elected a confused, tired old man incapable of handling the extreme demands of the White House!
    Sad for a large nation with millions of Covid cases with currently 237 thousand deaths and counting. So very, very sad.
    Above brought to you by the Internet Research Agency......Or

    Fred
    Apparently when someone is "woke" it is perfectly ok for he or she to take someone else's quote and change the wording of the quote.... yet still attribute it to the original individual.
    All while whining incessantly about others providing misinformation!

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    Quote Originally Posted by 724Seney View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Freddie View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Boston Brian View Post
    I agree with Corniche, Mentally,Trump who has never been the brightest bulb in the box is clearly having mental, memory and focus issues. No wonder Pence agreed to be his VP, despite the mean and nasty accusations he threw at him earlier this year.
    Personal ambition will always top party loyalty or national interest!
    America has elected a confused, tired old man incapable of handling the extreme demands of the White House!
    Sad for a large nation with millions of Covid cases with currently 237 thousand deaths and counting. So very, very sad.
    Above brought to you by the Internet Research Agency......Or

    Fred
    Apparently when someone is "woke" it is perfectly ok for he or she to take someone else's quote and change the wording of the quote.... yet still attribute it to the original individual.
    All while whining incessantly about others providing misinformation!
    Thank you.

    Fascinating.

    Fred

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    Default Re: I Cannot Fathom This Election

    Quote Originally Posted by corniche View Post
    I cannot understand how this is such a CLOSE election as everyone is claiming.
    As it turned out, it simply was CLOSE — on election day and the 48 or so hours that followed — until it wasn't, and Biden won.

    Close, in context, is a matter of objective numbers and not subjective values. There is no “should” in either forecasting or reviewing the outcome.

    I don't think it's appropriate for foreigners to tell us how to run our country/election.
    I neither intend nor pretend to do so, as a foreigner. Fortunately, objective facts (in accordance to governing rules) are there for all to see and agree on, no matter how much it elates or pains them individually that events didn't play out differently. I still think it's perfectly fine that someone now says, “My guy got beaten, by the rules of the game all must respect, irrespective of perception of merit. I wanted a different outcome, but the majority of my peers were against it. So be it; they have spoken. Until next time!”

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