Just curious, I don't remember reading this anywhere.
Is iron gall ink ok in lever fill/ pens with rubber sacs?
I just got a couple bottles of ESSRI ink and am curious if this can cause me problems?
Thanks,
dan
Just curious, I don't remember reading this anywhere.
Is iron gall ink ok in lever fill/ pens with rubber sacs?
I just got a couple bottles of ESSRI ink and am curious if this can cause me problems?
Thanks,
dan
When those pens were carried and used by everyone, almost all of them would have been filled with iron gall inks.
Vintage. Cursive italic. Iron gall.
A Smug Dill (November 9th, 2020), Pterodactylus (November 8th, 2020), Sailor Kenshin (November 12th, 2020), welch (November 14th, 2020)
imho there may be problems if you use iron gall inks with vacuum fillers (or c/c pens with agitators).
According to this chemical resistance chart, natural rubber is okay with gallic and tannic acid, but it doesn't like hydrochloric acid.
A Smug Dill (November 9th, 2020)
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This gets asked all the time. Iron gall inks are fine in lever fillers.
Cool... I have turned a sac to goo before (don't remember what I was doing but I remember it being all slimy).
Anyway- good to know. Thank you,
dan
These questions come up again and again about dissolving sacs. For those who buy their sacs from The Pen Sac Co., you could ask Peter before your next order to placate your concerns. I expect he has answered so many times he has a fact sheet ready to go.
Konrad Żurawski of KWZ inks has a page on this subject too. Fountain pens and Iron Gall inks.
He's got quite a range or iron gall inks, by the way.
"Fountain pen before inking with Iron Gall ink have to be thoroughly washed – especially if other types of waterproof inks were used in particular pen. Similarly, if we change ink in fountain pen from Iron Gall ink to a different type of waterproof ink we should wash them thoroughly. Iron Gall inks can interact with"
This is from Konrad's link.
I believe what could have happened is simply not washing thoroughly a pen. And nothing is more difficult that washing a lever filler with a stubborn ink. The combination of a Noodler's ink and Sailor's could be fatal from what I understand. Or using one of Noodler's speciality inks, like Kung Te-Cheng, Whaleman's Sepia or one of the Baystate inks. Though I have (modern) pen with Baystate in it for nearly a year and I'm still waiting for it to explode....
Also, human nature, many people don't tell the truth when they have done something they "shouldn't have" been doing... So they tell the person who repairs, I did everything the way it shouldn't have been done...it must be the ink's fault... Maybe they didn't clean properly and didn't want to berated by one of those ink hygiene gurus.....
Fair enough.....
It was more of a, “Don't worry, you can turn a sac to goo without using iron-gall inks, you won't be the first to do so, and in all likelihood using iron-gall inks won't turn a sac to goo, according to the rubber chemical resistance information we found.”
Ole Juul (November 12th, 2020)
See this article by Richard Binder: http://www.richardspens.com/ref/care/inks.htm
Iron gall inks are highly acidic and can eat any metal parts they come in contact with.
silverlifter (November 12th, 2020)
I know you're trying to be helpful, and I thank you for that.
But that article is quoted every time iron gall is mentioned and it gets a bit tiresome. Many think that it is overstated and questionable. The fact is that modern iron gall inks are not like that and many of us use then with impunity.
A more reasonable report by a chemist and manufacturer of iron gall inks can be found here. (That's the same I mentioned in post #11.)
Yazeh (November 13th, 2020)
Confirmation bias is a real bitch at times.
Yazeh (November 13th, 2020)
True, also cheap modern stainless steel can usually withstand easily modern IG inks.
My opinion is based on personal experience not hearsay.
E.G.
One particular cheap Serwex MB (even with a EMF modified FPrevolution flex nib where I changed the nib geometry (filed)) was continuously filled with ESSRI for several years.
Without cleaning, without flushing, dried up several time, just refilled it again and again and again.....
It was long time my favorite sketching pen.
The cheap steel nib show no damage at all, not even on the edges where I changed the nib geometry.
I don’t say that a reaction is impossible (what is really impossible? also a nib steel could be faulty) I claim that it is very very unlikely that a modern nib/pen is negatively affected by a IG ink.
Also think about product liability laws (especially here in Europe), the ink manufacturers are responsible for damages their products causing.
Do you really think they would sell pen eating inks?
That would not be a profitable business, and also in general very bad for their reputation.
Don’t let horror stories/rumors which circulates since many years prevent you from using/trying these awesome inks.
Ole Juul (November 13th, 2020), silverlifter (November 13th, 2020), Yazeh (November 13th, 2020)
That was my point -- only mentioning it from the perspective of effect on metal while considering use of iron gall inks in FPs.
Yazeh (November 17th, 2020)
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