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    Default Who makes nibs for who?

    I know some companies make their own nibs in-house, whereas others contract with other makers (primarily Jowo and Bock) and then personalize or fine-tune them.

    I’m wondering who makes nibs for which companies? I’ve found a couple of articles online (FPN http://www.fountainpennetwork.com/fo...st-nibs-today/ and Daniel PI http://danielpi.com/fountain-pens/20...who-makes-them) but both were written around 2015, and I’m guessing some things have changed since then.

    Can anyone weigh in on who makes their own, who contracts with Jowo, who contracts with Bock, and who contracts with other minor vendors?

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    Default Re: Who makes nibs for who?

    Sailor, Platinum, Pilot, Pelikan, Aurora and Santini Italia make their nibs in-house.

    Taccia pens sport nibs made by Sailor. Nakaya pens, Platinum. Namiki pens, Pilot.

    The Cross Peerless 125 sports a nib made by Sailor. I vaguely remember Cross uses nibs made by Pilot on another model (Townsend?), but I have absolutely no idea about its other product lines.

    Moonman uses a variety of nib vendors: Schmidt nibs on the M100, M200 and M600, Bock nibs as an option on its model 800 (i.e. the Leonardo Momento Zero lookalike), and Moonman-branded nibs on many of its other models (e.g. S1, M6 and M600S among what I have).

    Not sure which Chinese nib manufacturer produces nibs for PenBBS, but I think it's safe to assume it's neither JoWo nor Bock. I can't tell you about Delike (which no doubt came from the same manufacturer as the Moonman-branded nibs), HongDian, Wing Sung or Jinhao either, sorry; I don't have information on those brands.

    There aren't much else in the market of interest to me these days, so that's about the extent of what I know.
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    Default Re: Who makes nibs for who?

    I saw the title and read it as “Drinks for Two”.

    I think I should have another. . .

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    Default Re: Who makes nibs for who?

    Quote Originally Posted by Farmboy View Post
    I saw the title and read it as “Drinks for Two”.

    I think I should have another. . .
    I'm with you Farmboy. I usually make drinks for two. White wine for herself and tonight Lagavulin 12 year old 2017 Special Release for me. You can practically chew the peat on this baby.
    Cheers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by A Smug Dill View Post
    I vaguely remember Cross uses nibs made by Pilot on another model (Townsend?), but I have absolutely no idea about its other product lines.
    I believe the Townsend employed a nib made by Pelikan. Pilot nibs were used on the first Century models and the Radiance/Solo, and probably other models as well.
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    Default Re: Who makes nibs for who?

    One thing that complicates lists like this is that the relationships between pen & nib companies don't need to be exclusive or permanent. They can change over time. And there may be collaborations. Some examples:

    Leonardo is well known to use Bock nibs, but they have also stated that starting in 2021 they will be using Jowo instead. What I don't know, though, is what happens to the pens with #8 nibs, since Jowo doesn't normally make #8 nibs. Maybe the Leonardo #8's will cease to exist, maybe they'll convince Jowo to make #8 nibs, and maybe they'll continue to use Bock just for that nib size?

    I don't know who normally makes Cross pens, but their Peerless 125 used a nib from Sailor. That was a collaboration, not a shift to Sailor for manufacturing.

    I seem to recall an announcement of a collaboration between Monteverde and Sailor, but cannot find it now.

    I have read many times that Scribo makes their own nibs using Omas' nib equipment. A recent video tour of Scribo says, though, that the nibs are made by Bock using tools that Scribo got from Omas (no detail about what the tools are). Who then do you consider to be the manufacturer? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ltoa...ppelboomPennen

    It was mentioned above that Pelikan makes there own nibs, and they do, but I thought that some of their models used one of the well-known German nib companies. But I'm not certain of this.

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    Thanks for all that info on the Asian pen makers. It’s good to know. I haven’t collected many Asian pens because I tend to prefer juicer/broader nibs, but that doesn’t rule out investigation in the future!

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    Default Re: Who makes nibs for who?

    Quote Originally Posted by XYZZY View Post
    One thing that complicates lists like this is that the relationships between pen & nib companies don't need to be exclusive or permanent. They can change over time. And there may be collaborations.
    Yes that’s the conundrum! And then you get to the vintage pens.....

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    Default Re: Who makes nibs for who?

    • TWSBI uses Jowo for their pens that take #6 nibs (Vac 700R, for example).
    • Opus 88 uses Jowo nibs, tuned to Opus 88 specs by Jowo.
    • Edison Pens uses Jowo nibs for their steel offerings, but custom-tunes them in-house
    • The newer Conklins also use Jowo nibs
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    Default Re: Who makes nibs for who?

    Quote Originally Posted by XYZZY View Post
    I don't know who normally makes Cross pens,
    Its own factory in China, I believe. Not sure about the veracity of the claim made in this 2017 article:

    Cross certainly is American, at least in two ways. One, it took $1.9 million in corporate welfare to move its headquarters from Lincoln, R.I., to Providence. Its new building is at least 3˝ times smaller than their old place because, two, their pens are now made in China. A few select pens, like the presidential ones, are at least partially assembled in Rhode Island from parts made in China.

    I seem to recall an announcement of a collaboration between Monteverde and Sailor, but cannot find it now.
    I suppose you were thinking of this: AMMIRAGLIO 1939 Fountain pen - Sailor for Montegrappa

    Quote Originally Posted by Turquoise View Post
    Yes that’s the conundrum!
    I'm not sure what you meant specifically by that.

    My view is that there is nothing for which everything there is to know is already known; and nothing for which everything that is presently known/true is fully documented to give all current and prospective interested parties ready access to the information; so, if you mean that's the ‘conundrum’ with having a comprehensive and up-to-date resource for that subject, I'd say the root of the problem is that it isn't a realistic goal.
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    Default Re: Who makes nibs for who?

    Quote Originally Posted by Biber View Post
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    I vaguely remember Cross uses nibs made by Pilot on another model (Townsend?), but I have absolutely no idea about its other product lines.
    I believe the Townsend employed a nib made by Pelikan. Pilot nibs were used on the first Century models and the Radiance/Solo, and probably other models as well.
    To these thoughts about early Cross Century nibs we must add Mutschler. Thomas Neureither (Kaweco) has posted to FPN a photograph of a rather large number of Cross nibs made by Mutschler. The manufacture of Cross fountain pens in the period that began in the 1980s (as distinguished from before World War II) is a matter of some complexity and obscurity.

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    Default Re: Who makes nibs for who?

    Interesting about Mutschler (I have three of their pens, low cost examples, but really nice writers).

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    Default Re: Who makes nibs for who?

    Chinese made nibs aren't a bad thing per se.
    Many chinese pens write beautifully fine - albeit dry - without the premium price that comes with the Japan made.

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    Here is a useful although apparently older link......http://danielpi.com/fountain-pens/20...who-makes-them

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