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    Smile Vintage pens and Bulletproof inks.....

    I am well aware, that it is recommended and stressed upon that vintage pens should solely be used with non-boutique ins (Waterman etc).
    I am also aware, that Irongall inks, work very well with such pens, though I'm only have Scabiosa.

    I use mostly if not always, a variety of bulletproof or partial bulletproof (Noodler's) or R&K Sketchinks for writing.

    I personally won't use certain specialty inks under any condition in such pens, namely Kung Te-Cheng, Whaleman's Sepia or the Baystate family.



    My question:
    Has anybody used Noodler's bulletproof inks with vintage pens without any adverse effect?
    Or are they best used for ex. in eyedropper /piston fillers as opposed to pens that use ink sacs.
    Or it is best to use them in cheap Indian flex pens and forget the vintage pens in this regards....

    I prefer those who have done so and not the repeat story of the melted ink sack by Mr. Binder

    Many thanks...

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    Default Re: Vintage pens and Bulletproof inks.....

    You could use them in a vintage eyedropper without too much worry

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yazeh View Post
    I am well aware, that it is recommended and stressed upon that vintage pens should solely be used with non-boutique ins (Waterman etc).
    I am also aware, that Irongall inks, work very well with such pens, though I'm only have Scabiosa.

    I use mostly if not always, a variety of bulletproof or partial bulletproof (Noodler's) or R&K Sketchinks for writing.

    I personally won't use certain specialty inks under any condition in such pens, namely Kung Te-Cheng, Whaleman's Sepia or the Baystate family.



    My question:
    Has anybody used Noodler's bulletproof inks with vintage pens without any adverse effect?
    Or are they best used for ex. in eyedropper /piston fillers as opposed to pens that use ink sacs.
    Or it is best to use them in cheap Indian flex pens and forget the vintage pens in this regards....

    I prefer those who have done so and not the repeat story of the melted ink sack by Mr. Binder

    Many thanks...
    Good post and question...................I have a lot of 1st hand experience as I am a fan of Noodlers Inks.

    Here's is what I have to learn the hard way

    Do not use Noodlers ink in sac or vac pens, etc. The Noodlers Eel is iffy in Snorkel's as long as you rinse when you are done or not letting sit for a period of time. I loaded a picture on here somewhere of what it did to a sac. Straight up fried my latex sacs and vac sacs.

    On the other hand in more modern piston fillers, Vac's like TWSBI's, eye droppers, AF's no issue at all. Noodlers is pretty much (except Baystate Blue) all I use in them with a few exceptions.

    I use strictly vintage (or modern if I run out) Sheaffer Skrip, Parker Quink and Waterman in my vintage pens, including Pelikans with a cork. Since using these inks I have yet..............no issues with my latex sac pens. You could install silicone sacs and use Noodlers, etc., but I am not a fan of using a silicone sacs in say my Waterman 52's, etc.

    I have seen some folks use Diamine in their Esties, etc., however I am fat and happy using the older ink.

    I learned this the hard way. Hope it helps.

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    Quote Originally Posted by guyy View Post
    You could use them in a vintage eyedropper without too much worry
    Thanks, I am starting to appreciate more and more eyedroppers.. now I should hunt one of those or a safety pen...

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    Good post and question...................I have a lot of 1st hand experience as I am a fan of Noodlers Inks.

    Here's is what I have to learn the hard way

    Do not use Noodlers ink in sac or vac pens, etc. The Noodlers Eel is iffy in Snorkel's as long as you rinse when you are done or not letting sit for a period of time. I loaded a picture on here somewhere of what it did to a sac. Straight up fried my latex sacs and vac sacs.
    I had the feeling that sacs and bulletproof inks won't mingle well....
    I have however used non bulletproof inks (Apache sunset, Antietam) with no adverse effect. The pens are still working....


    On the other hand in more modern piston fillers, Vac's like TWSBI's, eye droppers, AF's no issue at all. Noodlers is pretty much (except Baystate Blue) all I use in them with a few exceptions.

    I use strictly vintage (or modern if I run out) Sheaffer Skrip, Parker Quink and Waterman in my vintage pens, including Pelikans with a cork. Since using these inks I have yet..............no issues with my latex sac pens. You could install silicone sacs and use Noodlers, etc., but I am not a fan of using a silicone sacs in say my Waterman 52's, etc.

    I have seen some folks use Diamine in their Esties, etc., however I am fat and happy using the older ink.

    I learned this the hard way. Hope it helps.
    Thanks it helps. As I mentioned before I rarely use, "normal" ink. And I am not a fan of Waterman inks, maybe because they are recommended for vintage pens. Thankfully, I don't have many lever fillers, so I can use Irongall inks with them... and focus on eyedroppers or safety pens and bulletproof ins as guy said....much appreciated

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    Regarding safety pens and Noodlers.

    I don't change inks. I find an ink and pen+nib combination that I like, and stick with it.

    Two such combinations, and I'm very happy with them on both aesthetic and functional levels. They've been continuously inked for some months.

    1/ Black Noodler's Boston Safety -- Noodler's Heart of Darkness

    2/ Chestnut Noodler's Boston Safety -- Noodler's Whaleman's Sepia

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ole Juul View Post
    Regarding safety pens and Noodlers.

    I don't change inks. I find an ink and pen+nib combination that I like, and stick with it.

    Two such combinations, and I'm very happy with them on both aesthetic and functional levels. They've been continuously inked for some months.

    1/ Black Noodler's Boston Safety -- Noodler's Heart of Darkness

    2/ Chestnut Noodler's Boston Safety -- Noodler's Whaleman's Sepia
    It's the same from. When I find the right combination I stick with it.
    I was thinking more of vintage safety pens, but Noodller's are fine and from what I've read you can put more or less any ink in those pens

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    @wingwiper: it may surprise you to know that Diamine inks have been around since 1864. I use several of their inks in sac fillers. I agree that Skrip, Quink and Waterman are harmless in older pens and in the last few years I've been using Aurora Blue in the various types of sac fillers without ill effects.

    I've heard all the dire tales about Noodlers inks and I don't take risks with the two that I have: Baystate Blue and Black Swan in Australian Roses. They're confined to cheap converter fillers. For all I know they may be perfectly OK in all types of pens but I don't intend to find out.

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    I've used noodlers bulletproof inks on vintage pens without me not my pens requiring hospitalization. The creator used to be one of the top pen repairers. However, be aware that most of the inks are very saturated and, as such, take longer to flush.
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    Thanks Lloyd. Love your humour and the photo reminded me of fond memories as child when I relished in good old Harold

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    M: I came here for a good argument.
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