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    Default Grail Ink for a Grail Pen

    As the proud new owner of a Grail Pen--Sailor Black Velvet, I'm looking for the perfect ink match. I've tried Iroshizuku Yama-guri and it's too somber and woody. I'm looking for something like root beer to mirror the color of the pen. Two samples are in the mail: Robert Oster "Caffe Crema" and Akkerman "Dutch Masters #4 Hals Oud Bruin".

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    Default Re: Grail Ink for a Grail Pen

    Caffe Creme is more white coffee than root beer.

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    Default Re: Grail Ink for a Grail Pen

    Quote Originally Posted by FredRydr View Post
    Caffe Creme is more white coffee than root beer.
    Darn laptop monitors!
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    Default Re: Grail Ink for a Grail Pen

    I quite like the Caffe Crema. Its certainly a darker brown than KWZ Honey, if that's any frame of reference, but certainly a close family member.

    Edit: the review my Macchiato man https://macchiatoman.com/blog/2017/1...ink-caff-crema is a pretty accurate color sample imo.
    Last edited by AzJon; December 16th, 2020 at 10:21 PM.

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    Default Re: Grail Ink for a Grail Pen

    What about J. Herbin Cafe des Iles?

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    Default Re: Grail Ink for a Grail Pen

    Quote Originally Posted by VertOlive View Post
    As the proud new owner of a Grail Pen--Sailor Black Velvet, I'm looking for the perfect ink match. I've tried Iroshizuku Yama-guri and it's too somber and woody. I'm looking for something like root beer to mirror the color of the pen. Two samples are in the mail: Robert Oster "Caffe Crema" and Akkerman "Dutch Masters #4 Hals Oud Bruin".

    Suggestions welcome!
    Dear VertOlive,

    gratulations to your Grail Pen!

    As far as I see it from web images of root beer, You look for a dark reddish brown and medium to high saturation and some "noblesse".

    How wet does the pen write?
    Robert Oster's Caffe Crema should look nice from a wet writer. Otherwise it will look woody, too.

    For more red and higher saturation I would say: Try Robert Oster's Maroon 1789.

    The color of Sailor's Black Velvet reminds me to a well aged Vintage Port, as does my RO Maroon.
    And it has that somehow special touch many dark Oster inks have...

    Best wishes and enjoy the Sailor

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    Default Re: Grail Ink for a Grail Pen

    Here are two I propose (and have offered to send samples). I'm currently using the Kobe in this same pen and it is a very good match, but the Grail Owner will make final determination:

    SAMPLE-KOBE-27__10012.1563228448.500.750.jpg Swatch_Chocolate_1000x.png
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    Default Re: Grail Ink for a Grail Pen

    Quote Originally Posted by Jon Szanto View Post
    Here are two I propose (and have offered to send samples). I'm currently using the Kobe in this same pen and it is a very good match, but the Grail Owner will make final determination:

    SAMPLE-KOBE-27__10012.1563228448.500.750.jpg
    Indeed, looks nice and like a good match.

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    Default Re: Grail Ink for a Grail Pen

    I have a sample of R. Oster Caffé Crema to review and it is quite different to Jon's two colours. I agree with Fred that it's more like white coffee.

    There are some reddish browns in this batch:

    Brown Swabs3.jpg
    Last edited by Chrissy; December 28th, 2020 at 03:35 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by VertOlive View Post
    As the proud new owner of a Grail Pen--Sailor Black Velvet, I'm looking for the perfect ink match. I've tried Iroshizuku Yama-guri and it's too somber and woody. I'm looking for something like root beer to mirror the color of the pen. Two samples are in the mail: Robert Oster "Caffe Crema" and Akkerman "Dutch Masters #4 Hals Oud Bruin".

    Suggestions welcome!
    I just use plain ol' Waterman Havana Brown.
    My other pen is a Montblanc.

    And my other blog is a tumblr!

    My eBooks. Because why not.

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    That Kobe #27 is a real pretty ink color!

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    Default Re: Grail Ink for a Grail Pen

    I didn't even know about the Sailor Black Velvet. A very classy pen indeed.

    To my eyes, I think Diamine Ancient Copper would match that pen nicely.

    The swatch (courtesy of Vanness Pens):



    In my actual use (scanned, so the white balance is pretty accurate):

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    Default Re: Grail Ink for a Grail Pen

    I think Ancient Copper can be close... or Diamine Brandy Dazzle if you want a bit of pizzazz

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    I think Ancient Copper and Waterman Absolute Brown will be lighter than the pen.
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    ESSRI

    It goes with everything
    Online arguments are a lot like the Rocky Horror Picture Show.
    As soon as the audience begins to participate, any actual content is lost in the resulting chaos and cacophony.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yazeh View Post
    I think Ancient Copper can be close... or Diamine Brandy Dazzle if you want a bit of pizzazz
    Thank you. I have Brandy Dazzle but won’t put it in the Sailor. I have “Designated Sacrificial Pens” for sparkle inks.
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    Default Re: Grail Ink for a Grail Pen

    Quote Originally Posted by Dreck View Post
    ESSRI

    It goes with everything
    ... and you can get it in any color - as long it is blue-black. ;-)

    Great stuff anyway.

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    Default Re: Grail Ink for a Grail Pen

    A grail ink would Kobe Nagasawa Ginza Golden Sepia but it was a LE. Nevertheless I would suggest Kobe Nagasawa n3, n16 and n52

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    Default Re: Grail Ink for a Grail Pen

    You might want to check some of these, some looks kinda close

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