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    Default Waterman 452 1/2v restoration info?

    Hi folks, a local seller nearby me has a Waterman 452 1/2 in pretty decent condition for $100. Iím not really any expert in Waterman and I was wondering what sac size I would need to restore pen. Any thoughts?


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    Default Re: Waterman 452 1/2v restoration info?

    If I remember correctly the smaller 52 takes a 16 or 17.

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    Default Re: Waterman 452 1/2v restoration info?

    Quote Originally Posted by eachan View Post
    If I remember correctly the smaller 52 takes a 16 or 17.
    What length do they usually need to be cut down to?


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    Default Re: Waterman 452 1/2v restoration info?

    Iíve never felt the need to be exact about sac length: short enough to miss the end of the barrel & long enough to get ink in. Iíll usually do a dry run to make sure the sac doesnít hit & thereís nothing stuck in the barrel end.

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    I couldn't say. Work it out when you get the sac. You can lay it all out and see how long the sac needs to be. That's how I do it. I've never measured a sac.

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    I couldn't say. Work it out when you get the sac. You can lay it all out and see how long the sac needs to be. That's how I do it. I've never measured a sac.
    Out of curiosity, is a 452 1/2v supposed to have a pressure bar inside it or anything? When I opened the section there was nothing inside except the lever box I believe


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    I couldn't say. Work it out when you get the sac. You can lay it all out and see how long the sac needs to be. That's how I do it. I've never measured a sac.
    Out of curiosity, is a 452 1/2v supposed to have a pressure bar inside it or anything? When I opened the section there was nothing inside except the lever box I believe


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    Yes, it should have a pressure bar, of the swing bar type. Some people call them slide bars.

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    I couldn't say. Work it out when you get the sac. You can lay it all out and see how long the sac needs to be. That's how I do it. I've never measured a sac.
    Out of curiosity, is a 452 1/2v supposed to have a pressure bar inside it or anything? When I opened the section there was nothing inside except the lever box I believe


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    Yes, it should have a pressure bar, of the swing bar type. Some people call them slide bars.
    Ah ok, Iím still a bit new to lever fill fountain pens having only restored Parker Vacs before. Iím just going to assume then that all this pen needs is a new sac.


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    Default Re: Waterman 452 1/2v restoration info?

    It won't work without a pressure bar.

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    Default Re: Waterman 452 1/2v restoration info?

    Quote Originally Posted by penmainiac View Post
    ...What length do they usually need to be cut down to?
    Read: http://www.richardspens.com/ref/repair/resac.htm

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    Default Re: Waterman 452 1/2v restoration info?

    Quote Originally Posted by eachan View Post
    It won't work without a pressure bar.
    Oh yeah I has a pressure bar, I wasnít totally sure what those look like but I did some digging. It has one attached to the lever.


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    Default Re: Waterman 452 1/2v restoration info?

    Is the 452ís nipple feed area supposed to be like this? There are some rough edges that look like maybe a sac collapsed in there?


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    That appears to be the old sac. You'll have to get that out but be careful not to pull the pressure bar out as it would be a little difficult to replace. I use a dental pick for removing old sacs but a small screwdriver might do.

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    Default Re: Waterman 452 1/2v restoration info?

    Quote Originally Posted by eachan View Post
    That appears to be the old sac. You'll have to get that out but be careful not to pull the pressure bar out as it would be a little difficult to replace. I use a dental pick for removing old sacs but a small screwdriver might do.
    It has a little slit indicative of a feed, is there anyway to know for sure?


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    Default Re: Waterman 452 1/2v restoration info?

    Quote Originally Posted by penmainiac View Post
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    That appears to be the old sac. You'll have to get that out but be careful not to pull the pressure bar out as it would be a little difficult to replace. I use a dental pick for removing old sacs but a small screwdriver might do.
    It has a little slit indicative of a feed, is there anyway to know for sure?
    If that is the section in your hand (the photo isn't very clear), then yes, it's the back end of the feed. You use a punch and a knock-out block to remove it.

    Before you proceed further, I suggest you lay your hands on a copy of Marshall and Oldfield's Pen Repair, now in its fourth edition. It will guide you not only on procedure, but tool choices as well.


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