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    Mr.Neal, You don't seem to understand the American justice system. You see, in America you have to prove that someone is guilty, beyond a reasonable doubt. You are asking that people involved in the election prove it is innocent. That is totally ill-informed, backwards, and contrary to American juris prudence. Every time Mr. Trump's lawyers were asked, point-blank, in a court of law, if they had any evidence of fraud in the elections, they answered, "No".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sphere View Post
    Mr.Neal, You don't seem to understand the American justice system. You see, in America you have to prove that someone is guilty, beyond a reasonable doubt. You are asking that people involved in the election prove it is innocent. That is totally ill-informed, backwards, and contrary to American juris prudence. Every time Mr. Trump's lawyers were asked, point-blank, in a court of law, if they had any evidence of fraud in the elections, they answered, "No".
    I’m pretty sure the state has to prove guilt beyond a reasonable doubt in a criminal case. In civil cases, preponderance of the evidence is the standard.

    Nice try though



    See TSherbs?

    Quote Originally Posted by dneal
    You guys keep arguing with me about this (not to mention accusing me of all kinds of stuff) for pointing out that this is what people believe and why they believe it. Then you ask what it would take to convince them otherwise. Then you say it's all bunk and they shouldn't have to have it proven to them. Then you wonder why tens of thousands of them gather at the capitol, with a percentage of them storming it.

    How many times do you really want to run around this circular argument?
    Last edited by dneal; January 10th, 2021 at 09:32 PM. Reason: Forgot to respond to the op

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    yeah, I've given up trying to persuade those who won't accept this election result. Some false beliefs are tenacious. Humans get mental viruses, too, and we are suffering a bit of a pandemic over this election. It will pass.

    We can let the police, the FBI, and the military take care of them if necessary to control criminality (depending on the scale) should it develop further.

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    Russell Brand makes it simple for you.


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    Arnold makes it simple for youse.....
    https://twitter.com/i/status/1348249481284874240

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    Countdown until the maniac is gone? She lost four years ago, and is long since gone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TSherbs View Post
    Not the distrust of this election, they don't. This is a singular production, begun in the corners of the internet (Trump's "Many people are saying..."), amplified by the president, and then perpetrated as a con job upon his more gullible and suggestible followers for his own needs.
    Hillary started that, not Trump, by howling endlessly about the 2016 election. How could she possibly lose? It must have been the Russians. Yeah, that's it, the Russians! She went on campaigning even after the election had ended. That set up a very dangerous precedent that an election is only legitimate if one's desired candidate wins. The debate about this election or the one in 2016 has very little to do with democracy. America's two largest political parties are like two warring mafia families, and should be expected to act accordingly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Freddie View Post
    Arnold makes it simple for youse.....
    https://twitter.com/i/status/1348249481284874240

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    Reductio ad Hitlerum

    Godwin’s Law

    Thanks for playing, “Arnold”.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pendragon View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by TSherbs View Post
    Not the distrust of this election, they don't. This is a singular production, begun in the corners of the internet (Trump's "Many people are saying..."), amplified by the president, and then perpetrated as a con job upon his more gullible and suggestible followers for his own needs.
    Hillary started that, not Trump, by howling endlessly about the 2016 election. How could she possibly lose? It must have been the Russians. Yeah, that's it, the Russians! She went on campaigning even after the election had ended. That set up a very dangerous precedent that an election is only legitimate if one's desired candidate wins. The debate about this election or the one in 2016 has very little to do with democracy. America's two largest political parties are like two warring mafia families, and should be expected to act accordingly.
    The ghost of HC is still haunting some people....

    I'll repeat, this conspiracy theory of voter fraud and election machine error was begun in the corner of the internet, amplified on social media, reported in the press, and then broadcast and supported by the President to the world hundreds of times up to the hours before they stormed the Capitol.

    It was also aided and abetted by the weak-spined GOP members of Congress, especially in the House.

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    "yeah, but Hilary...." Is the start of a weak argument.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TSherbs View Post
    "yeah, but Hilary...." Is the start of a weak argument.
    It is an argument from anyone deluded by three decades of Hillary-hate, compounded by outright stupidity.

    Nine days and two hours.

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    Quote Originally Posted by welch View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by TSherbs View Post
    "yeah, but Hilary...." Is the start of a weak argument.
    It is an argument from anyone deluded by three decades of Hillary-hate, compounded by outright stupidity.

    Nine days and two hours.
    The irony is delicious.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TSherbs View Post
    "yeah, but Hilary...." Is the start of a weak argument.
    TS, TS-
    I can't give you credit, but I can acknowledge your unceasing comments which both mistate and misunderstand a statement. Not everyone can do that with your consistency.
    It's not "but Hillary," it's still Hillary.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dneal View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Freddie View Post
    Arnold makes it simple for youse.....
    https://twitter.com/i/status/1348249481284874240

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    Reductio ad Hitlerum

    Godwin’s Law

    Thanks for playing, “Arnold”.
    My pleasure ... Pal ... If youse has a problemo with AS ... contact him.

    Your response is your usual interjecting of flotsam.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Freddie View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by dneal View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Freddie View Post
    Arnold makes it simple for youse.....
    https://twitter.com/i/status/1348249481284874240

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    Reductio ad Hitlerum

    Godwin’s Law

    Thanks for playing, “Arnold”.


    Your response is your usual interjecting of flotsam.
    The irony here is delicious too.

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    Yeah, the guy who saved America but lost due to fraud leaves next week and the new regime, the Democrat Party Complex Fascists, take over.

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    Trump speaks, finally, about his crowd's storming of the Capitol as he called for Congress to overthrow the election.

    President Trump on Tuesday showed no contrition or regret for instigating the mob that stormed the Capitol and threatened the lives of members of Congress and his vice president, saying that his remarks to a rally beforehand were “totally appropriate” and that the effort by Congress to impeach and convict him was “causing tremendous anger.”

    Answering questions from reporters for the first time since the violence at the Capitol on Wednesday, the president sidestepped questions about his culpability in the deadly riot that shook the nation’s long tradition of peaceful transfers of power.

    “People thought what I said was totally appropriate,” Mr. Trump told reporters at Joint Base Andrews, en route to Alamo, Texas, where he was set to visit the border wall. Instead, Mr. Trump claimed that racial justice protests over the summer were “the real problem.”
    Note the all-too-usual Trumpism: "People thought what I said was totally appropriate,” as in his typical "people say" [whatever crazy right-wing conspiracy crap he has just heard].

    Seven days and 23 hours.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Freddie View Post

    Your response is your usual interjecting of flotsam.

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    Freddie, may i call you "Fred?"
    This is in contrast, of course, to your responses being jetsam: debris thrown overboard to lighten the load.
    Say "hi" to Ah-nold.

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    Seven days and 23 hours.
    word

    Would that he would go peacefully. There is a chance.

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    The House is debating whether to impeach Trump a second time.

    Republicans begin to join impeachment push

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    Mike DeBonis,
    Josh Dawsey and
    Seung Min Kim

    Jan. 12, 2021 at 6:59 p.m. EST

    The push for an unprecedented second impeachment of President Trump took a dramatic bipartisan turn Tuesday, as several senior House Republicans joined the Democratic effort to remove Trump for his role in inciting an angry mob to storm the Capitol last week and the White House braced for more defections.

    Rep. Liz Cheney (Wyo.), the third-ranking House Republican, and Rep. John Katko (N.Y.), the top Republican on the House Homeland Security Committee, both held Trump responsible for Wednesday’s violence. They were joined by Rep. Adam Kinzinger (R-Ill.), a frequent Trump critic.

    “The president of the United States summoned this mob, assembled the mob, and lit the flame of this attack,” Cheney said in a statement, adding, “There has never been a greater betrayal by a president of the United States of his office and his oath to the Constitution.”

    Katko’s language was similarly strong. “To allow the president of the United States to incite this attack without consequences is a direct threat to the future of our democracy,” he said.

    Kinzinger added, “If these actions . . . are not worthy of impeachment, then what is an impeachable offense?”

    A senior administration official said the White House expects at least a dozen House Republicans to support impeachment. The White House is rudderless, unwilling or unable to mount any defense other than saying that Trump will already be leaving next week, two administration officials said, speaking on the condition of anonymity to disclose internal dynamics.

    Trump, banned from Twitter, for the first time lacks the ability to aim angry tweets at those who oppose him, and White House officials conceded that he has few ways to stem the tide. He has asked Sen. Lindsey O. Graham (S.C.) to urge fellow Republicans to oppose impeachment, an official said

    The Republican statements supporting impeachment — which came after Trump delivered remarks earlier Tuesday expressing no regret for his actions — represented a watershed moment. They signaled high-level GOP concern about the role of Trump and other party leaders in spreading conspiracy theories about the recent election, and reflected how much the political landscape has shifted since Trump was acquitted in his first impeachment trial last February.

    Meanwhile, Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) has been telling associates since the attack that Trump probably committed impeachable offenses, as first reported by the New York Times. McConnell, a close adviser said, has not decided how he will vote on impeachment and wants to hear the case first.
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...207_story.html

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