How can Trump-believers be persuaded that he lost an honest election?

[Chuck Naill]

A new book regarding Trump's last days and a top US general's concern of a possible coup is not surprising, but concerning. I am curious if Trumpians have actually taken the time to consider who they are following?

The sadist part of the Trump cult is that unvaccinated people are getting sick, hospiticalized, and some dying. I am sure all are not necessarily Trumpians.

Last week I had to cut ties with a friend who was continually repeating Fox News and QAnon. He feeds himself daily on Fox and YouTube. He knows I am vaccinated, but continually sent information about why the vaccine is not good. I just cannot continue to listen and be nice. It really got old and I told him so.

[kazoolaw]

Does "D" mean "Republican?"
https://twitter.com/i/status/1417095882907000836

[TSherbs]

Another review by the AP of election fraud cases:
https://apnews.com/article/business-...064e6791b4c6fc

[TSherbs]

Latest update on the "mess" in Arizona.

https://apnews.com/article/arizona-e...281291ca9e6dcf

Can't wait for this to be released to the public. It's going to show just how civic-minded and interested-in-dispelling-mistrust these Repubs in Arizona are!

/sarcasm

[Chuck Naill]

Perhaps the strategy is to trick the Trump supporter into believing he was cheated, keeping them on the Trumpian Hook. That Ron Wright's widow, endorsed by DT, lost to Ellzey might signal the GOP is moving back to a Reagan/Bush direction. I'd like to see a Cheney ticket down the road.

From an op-ed by David Brooks.

"As Jonathan Rauch brilliantly writes in his book “The Constitution of Knowledge,” the acquisition of this kind of knowledge is also a collective process. It’s not just a group of people commenting on each other’s internet posts. It’s a network of institutions — universities, courts, publishers, professional societies, media outlets — that have set up an interlocking set of procedures to hunt for error, weigh evidence and determine which propositions pass muster.

These are the same principles as those of the scientific method. An individual may be dumb, Rauch notes, but the whole network is brilliant, so long as everybody in it adheres to certain rules: No one gets the final say (every proposition might be wrong). No claim to personal authority (who you are doesn’t determine the truth of what you say, the evidence does). No retreat to safety (you can’t ban an idea just because it makes you feel unsafe)."

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/07/01/o...sultPosition=4

[TSherbs]

Perhaps the strategy is to trick the Trump supporter into believing he was cheated, keeping them on the Trumpian Hook.

Yes.

For two reasons as I see it:

1) to keep the fundraising base energized and giving

2) to create continuing distrust in the election to the point to justify restrictions on the ease of access to voting in election time

[TSherbs]

On the point I made just above:

From ABC News:

>>>The latest figures are a show of continued fundraising prowess from Trump, whose massive post-election fundraising success has come amid baseless fraud claims about the 2020 presidential election.

Since the election, Trump and his team have solicited hundreds of millions of dollars for an "Election Defense Fund" and seeking support to fight the 2020 results. But little of that has actually gone to such efforts so far, disclosure filings show.


The latest filings show that much of the amount raised by Trump's various committees in the first six months of this year have been saved in the bank, while much of the rest has been used for various fundraising and consulting expenses.<<<

[Chuck Naill]

dneal didn't vote for Trump. We need to keep that at the front of anything that is added to this thread. Perhaps "no balls" is appropriate. Each can decide for themselves. I personally have no respect for a drama king who didn't vote.

[TSherbs]

dneal didn't vote for Trump.

He has said that he is just trolling here for his jollies. Ignore him.





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[TSherbs]

From Yahoo News, today:

>>>Maricopa County officials previously authorized two election machine audits that found no irregularities in the county's 2020 election. There was also a recount of a sample of ballots that did not turn up any problems.

After courts rejected several lawsuits challenging the 2020 results in Arizona and other states Donald Trump lost, the former president and his allies have turned their attention to the GOP-led Arizona Senate audit in Maricopa County, touting it as an inspection that could support their claims of widespread fraud or irregularities.

Still, Fann has stressed the audit is not about overturning the 2020 election but rather making legislation to improve the operations and security of voting contests.<<<


Fann is dissembling, in part. This "audit" attempt is actually for both purposes: to disrupt the prior election result (a long shot, but Trump has voiced this purpose), and to cast doubts that fuel election restriction laws.

[TSherbs]

This Republican Arizona representative might want to be careful about slandering Dominion: she could end up added to their suit's list of defendants:

Wendy Rogers: I would like to know if we have enough solitary confinement cells in Arizona available for the entire Maricopa Board of Supervisors and the execs at the fraud machine company. We are going to need a lot.
6:40 PM · Aug 2, 2021·Twitter

EDIT: See post #236 below

[Bold2013]

It is becoming the perfect storm for the republicans to take back the legislative branch in the midterm election and Trump to regain the presidency in 2024.

[TSherbs]

It is becoming the perfect storm for the republicans to take back the legislative branch in the midterm election and Trump to regain the presidency in 2024.

This is not certain at all. But it is the purpose of the recount, etc.

[Chuck Naill]

I hope it is not certain. It is unfortunate, but for many it will take a second DT presidency to finally understand their support for him was a mistake.

[TSherbs]

This Vox article is a lengthy summary of the Arizona procedures to this date, with many links to other documents: https://www.vox.com/22609910/maricop...report-preview

[TSherbs]

oh, and now Dominion has added OAN (One America News) to the defendant list of their civil lawsuits, this time to the tune of 1.6 billion dollars: https://www.businessinsider.com/domi...heories-2021-3

[Chuck Naill]

Radicalized Americans

[TSherbs]

More fallout from people being sucked into the Big Lie: http://<br /> https://www.npr.org/20...t=nprml&f=1014

[TSherbs]

Update on an arrest of a widely published marauder at the Capitol:
Business Insider:

https://www.businessinsider.com/body...rrested-2021-8

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[Chuck Naill]

Biden has blown it. There was no reason to proceed with Trump's agreement withn the Taliban sans the Afghanistan government. Not that a Biden and Trump debate can generate much finger pointing. However, I cannot imagine how Trump would have handled it better.