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    Default New Blue Goes On Sale

    A new blue pigment has been discovered and is commerically available. YInMn Blue is $180/oz - which should give premium ink makers something to get excited about...
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    Default Re: New Blue Goes On Sale

    Wow, I'm sure Nathan will be soon create a new Noodler's ink

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    Default Re: New Blue Goes On Sale

    Quote Originally Posted by Yazeh View Post
    Wow, I'm sure Nathan will be soon create a new Noodler's ink
    My money is on MB, with a LE "exclusive" $700 bottle of YinMontblanc.
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    Default Re: New Blue Goes On Sale

    Quote Originally Posted by silverlifter View Post
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    Wow, I'm sure Nathan will be soon create a new Noodler's ink
    My money is on MB, with a LE "exclusive" $700 bottle of YinMontblanc.
    My gut tells me that I don't think MB wants to mess with pigment inks. I don't know about Noodler's either. Are any Noodler's pigment inks?

    I hope someone does though. If successful, it looks like it would give Baystate Blue a run for the money.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wile E Coyote View Post
    My gut tells me that I don't think MB wants to mess with pigment inks. I don't know about Noodler's either. Are any Noodler's pigment inks?
    MB's permanent inks are pigment inks, no?
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    My gut tells me that I don't think MB wants to mess with pigment inks. I don't know about Noodler's either. Are any Noodler's pigment inks?
    MB's permanent inks are pigment inks, no?
    As far as I am aware, their permanent inks were iron gall formulations. I would be very surprised if they offer a pigment ink due to the potential for clogging if not used regularly or maintained properly.

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    My gut tells me that I don't think MB wants to mess with pigment inks. I don't know about Noodler's either. Are any Noodler's pigment inks?
    MB's permanent inks are pigment inks, no?
    As far as I am aware, their permanent inks were iron gall formulations. I would be very surprised if they offer a pigment ink due to the potential for clogging if not used regularly or maintained properly.
    No, they discontinued their last IG ink in 2013. Since then, their permanent inks are now, as far as I can tell, pigment inks.
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    My gut tells me that I don't think MB wants to mess with pigment inks. I don't know about Noodler's either. Are any Noodler's pigment inks?
    MB's permanent inks are pigment inks, no?
    As far as I am aware, their permanent inks were iron gall formulations. I would be very surprised if they offer a pigment ink due to the potential for clogging if not used regularly or maintained properly.
    No, they discontinued their last IG ink in 2013. Since then, their permanent inks are now, as far as I can tell, pigment inks.
    Not to be argumentative but, what makes you think they're now pigmented?

    They do have something called Elixir Calligraphy Black that is pigmented and they have a disclaimer stating: "it is important to clean the fountain pen with lukewarm water after every use of permanent ink to keep it in perfect condition." If their permanent inks were also pigmented, I would think a similar warning would apply.

    I am surprised that they offer the Elixir Calligraphy ink and have a shred of hope they might just do the blue too.
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    My gut tells me that I don't think MB wants to mess with pigment inks. I don't know about Noodler's either. Are any Noodler's pigment inks?
    MB's permanent inks are pigment inks, no?
    As far as I am aware, their permanent inks were iron gall formulations. I would be very surprised if they offer a pigment ink due to the potential for clogging if not used regularly or maintained properly.
    No, they discontinued their last IG ink in 2013. Since then, their permanent inks are now, as far as I can tell, pigment inks.
    Not to be argumentative but, what makes you think they're now pigmented?
    The only other archival/permanent inks (that I am aware of) are pigment-based. I don't think dye-based inks can cut it in that field. I'm happy to be proven wrong, naturally. I have been looking at this for a while and MB is not exactly forthcoming about their inks, so it is all conjecture, but based on what the competition does (R&K, Sailor, Platinum, for example), pigments seem to be the standard for archival inks.
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    My gut tells me that I don't think MB wants to mess with pigment inks. I don't know about Noodler's either. Are any Noodler's pigment inks?
    MB's permanent inks are pigment inks, no?
    As far as I am aware, their permanent inks were iron gall formulations. I would be very surprised if they offer a pigment ink due to the potential for clogging if not used regularly or maintained properly.
    No, they discontinued their last IG ink in 2013. Since then, their permanent inks are now, as far as I can tell, pigment inks.
    Not to be argumentative but, what makes you think they're now pigmented?
    The only other archival/permanent inks (that I am aware of) are pigment-based. I don't think dye-based inks can cut it in that field. I'm happy to be proven wrong, naturally. I have been looking at this for a while and MB is not exactly forthcoming about their inks, so it is all conjecture, but based on what the competition does (R&K, Sailor, Platinum, for example), pigments seem to be the standard for archival inks.
    We'll never know for sure with MB, as you point out their lack of clarity regarding ink formulation. But that blue in your original post would be a spectacular ink color.

    Sailor pigment inks are my favorite pigment inks.

    I see in your sig that you're a fan of IG. Have you tried Platinum's classic inks? I currently have the Cassis in a stub Lamy 2000 and really like the color once it changes.

    I don't have any R&K.

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    I'm a recent convert to Seiboku. Absolutely love it. It is currently in my L2K <MCI>.

    The only Platinum IG (other than their excellent Blue Black) that I have tried is the Khaki. It's not that I didn't like it, its just that my colour palette is very boring: I like Blues, Blue Blacks, Blacks, and not much else.
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    Default Re: New Blue Goes On Sale

    ...what makes you think they're now pigmented?
    Pigmented ink leaves a unique residue on the underside of a nib. I first noticed it years ago with Sailor's pigmented ink. Montblanc Permanent Blue has the same characteristic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dneal View Post
    ...what makes you think they're now pigmented?
    Pigmented ink leaves a unique residue on the underside of a nib. I first noticed it years ago with Sailor's pigmented ink. Montblanc Permanent Blue has the same characteristic.
    It also leaves a residue in Pelikan ink windows. Don't ask me how I know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by carlos.q View Post
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    ...what makes you think they're now pigmented?
    Pigmented ink leaves a unique residue on the underside of a nib. I first noticed it years ago with Sailor's pigmented ink. Montblanc Permanent Blue has the same characteristic.
    It also leaves a residue in Pelikan ink windows. Don't ask me how I know.
    Doh!!!

    Iíve only used the cartridges. Thanks for the heads up!
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    Quote Originally Posted by carlos.q View Post
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    ...what makes you think they're now pigmented?
    Pigmented ink leaves a unique residue on the underside of a nib. I first noticed it years ago with Sailor's pigmented ink. Montblanc Permanent Blue has the same characteristic.
    It also leaves a residue in Pelikan ink windows. Don't ask me how I know.
    Maybe you have done/consider this, but if you unscrew the Pelikan nib unit, can't you get the residue out of the ink window either by flushing or a tool that won't scratch the ink window or leave fibers in.

    Unless you meant that the residue actually stains the ink window.
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    Quote Originally Posted by penwash View Post
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    ...what makes you think they're now pigmented?
    Pigmented ink leaves a unique residue on the underside of a nib. I first noticed it years ago with Sailor's pigmented ink. Montblanc Permanent Blue has the same characteristic.
    It also leaves a residue in Pelikan ink windows. Don't ask me how I know.
    Maybe you have done/consider this, but if you unscrew the Pelikan nib unit, can't you get the residue out of the ink window either by flushing or a tool that won't scratch the ink window or leave fibers in.

    Unless you meant that the residue actually stains the ink window.
    No, not staining. It's a residue that can be removed. I got most of it out with a Qtip... but not all.

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    Default Re: New Blue Goes On Sale

    I received this information about YinMn Blue today from Jackson's Art
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    Default Re: New Blue Goes On Sale

    Quote Originally Posted by silverlifter View Post
    The only other archival/permanent inks (that I am aware of) are pigment-based. I don't think dye-based inks can cut it in that field. I'm happy to be proven wrong, naturally. I have been looking at this for a while and MB is not exactly forthcoming about their inks, so it is all conjecture, but based on what the competition does (R&K, Sailor, Platinum, for example), pigments seem to be the standard for archival inks.
    I was given to understand that most of the Noodler's Inks Nathan Tardif lists as archival are dye-based. Noodler's Black, #41 Brown, 54th Massachusetts to name a few. Or did you mean Montblanc inks?
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    I was referring to MB. I was also referring to archival inks, ie., those with an ISO certification, not inks arbitrarily designated as archival by their maker with no basis.

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