Pelikan

[spencerwilli]

I had a Pelikan 400nn but seem to have lost it in a move. I year good things about the modern pens and love the design of their nibs. The older nibs are boring. So I’m looking for a modern model 600 or larger for a bargain price no more than $300. Doesn’t have to be anything special.
Also, would the modern nib units fit into an older body? It may be cheaper to buy a nib unit and throw it into an older body.


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[Empty_of_Clouds]

M600 in red, green, blue or black standard colours are approximately USD$264 from Cult Pens, if you don't have to pay VAT. And free shipping too! M800s start around USD$350

[carlos.q]

For Pelikan nib interchangeability take a look here:
http://www.indy-pen-dance.com/Pelika...ity-Chart.html

[Pterodactylus]

I had a Pelikan 400nn but seem to have lost it in a move. I year good things about the modern pens and love the design of their nibs. The older nibs are boring. So I’m looking for a modern model 600 or larger for a bargain price no more than $300. Doesn’t have to be anything special.
Also, would the modern nib units fit into an older body? It may be cheaper to buy a nib unit and throw it into an older body.


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Side Note:
As you are used to a 400NN semi flex nib be aware that the modern M600 nibs are real hard nails.

[FredRydr]

...The older nibs are boring....

PM me with your list of unwanted old Pelikan nibs, please.

[Chrissy]

...The older nibs are boring....

PM me with your list of unwanted old Pelikan nibs, please.

Darn!!! Fred got in first.....

[Pterodactylus]

...The older nibs are boring....

PM me with your list of unwanted old Pelikan nibs, please.

Darn!!! Fred got in first.....

Unfortunately.
I also see it the other way around most if the times the modern uniform spherical blob nails are boring, not the vintage ones.

[spencerwilli]

It’s that I find them boring writers, I find them boring in design. I don’t think anyone can argue that the vintage pelikans have a prettier nib than the modern ones.


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[penwash]

The older nibs are boring.

I am not challenging you or anything, you are of course entitled to your own opinion.

My opinion is that the older Pelikan nibs are quite amazing. Here's an example that I can dig out quickly:



In my book, a nib that is capable of producing those line variations in an easy and satisfying way, is pretty far up the "non-boring" scale

[Pterodactylus]

It’s that I find them boring writers, I find them boring in design. I don’t think anyone can argue that the vintage pelikans have a prettier nib than the modern ones.


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Wrong 🤪
I do, I always prefer a 100, 140, 400 (in all variations except the Steno ones which are boring spherical nails like modern ones) nib over everything in the current product portfolio of Pelikan.
Imho their semi-flex stubby character nibs (also the oblique versions are cool) just outperforms their modern successors by far.

So yes the old ones are prettier in my eyes.

I don’t care about what is stamped on the nib or if they are dual colored just in case you had these kind of things in mind when you say “prettier”.


Good example penwash 👍

Let me add also one.

Spencerwilli try to replicate such a expressive line with a modern M600:


Quote 026 by Ptero Pterodactylus, auf Flickr

(Pelikan Ibis 130 - EF ..... Mystery Ink #17 provided by Scooby921)


IMHO impossible with a modern spherical blob nail......... but if you want to take the challenge proof me wrong. 😜

[Pterodactylus]

But don’t cheat, we are talking about modern nibs in their factory default state.

Something like this (EMF modded and a new grind) is not allowed. 😜


Quote 021 by Ptero Pterodactylus, auf Flickr

(Pelikan M205 Blue-Marbled - B EMF ..... Mystery ink #16 provided by Scooby 921)

[spencerwilli]

But don’t cheat, we are talking about modern nibs in their factory default state.

Something like this (EMF modded and a new grind) is not allowed.


Quote 021 by Ptero Pterodactylus, auf Flickr

(Pelikan M205 Blue-Marbled - B EMF ..... Mystery ink #16 provided by Scooby 921)

If your nib has the modern design and can write like that then I’m sold! Where do I get one?


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[Pterodactylus]

But don’t cheat, we are talking about modern nibs in their factory default state.

Something like this (EMF modded and a new grind) is not allowed.


Quote 021 by Ptero Pterodactylus, auf Flickr

(Pelikan M205 Blue-Marbled - B EMF ..... Mystery ink #16 provided by Scooby 921)

If your nib has the modern design and can write like that then I’m sold! Where do I get one?


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Itˋs the standard 20x steel nib, so no fancy dual color gold nib.

I bought this pen just for for one purpose ... tinkering (to see if I can add also a significant amount of flexibility to a (bouncy) M200 steel nib.
Before this one I only EMF (ease my flex) modded Noodler’s and FPR flex nibs, which have in their original state already some semi-flex.

On this one I tried to get quite a lot flex without endangering it’s physical integrity.
Additionally (as I bought a broad nib) I gave it a stubby grind similar to the 50s Pelikans/Montblancs.

Overall I’m quite satisfied with the outcome, the nib has a significant amount of flex and performs well.

In my experience to make sure the feed can keep up with the increased ink flow flexing the nib is many times more difficult than adding flex to the nib.
This one has still the standard feed and it performs ok.

So if you like tinkering with your pens, and you don’t have 2 left hands you can try to modify one yourself. (Maybe start with a cheap FPR flex nib so almost nothing is lost when something went wrong).
I think my initial EMF modding thread from many years ago is still available on FPN, this would be a good starting point to learn how to give a nib additional flex.

[spencerwilli]

But don’t cheat, we are talking about modern nibs in their factory default state.

Something like this (EMF modded and a new grind) is not allowed.


Quote 021 by Ptero Pterodactylus, auf Flickr

(Pelikan M205 Blue-Marbled - B EMF ..... Mystery ink #16 provided by Scooby 921)

If your nib has the modern design and can write like that then I’m sold! Where do I get one?


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Itˋs the standard 20x steel nib, so no fancy dual color gold nib.

I bought this pen just for for one purpose ... tinkering (to see if I can add also a significant amount of flexibility to a (bouncy) M200 steel nib.
Before this one I only EMF (ease my flex) modded Noodler’s and FPR flex nibs, which have in their original state already some semi-flex.

On this one I tried to get quite a lot flex without endangering it’s physical integrity.
Additionally (as I bought a broad nib) I gave it a stubby grind similar to the 50s Pelikans/Montblancs.

Overall I’m quite satisfied with the outcome, the nib has a significant amount of flex and performs well.

In my experience to make sure the feed can keep up with the increased ink flow flexing the nib is many times more difficult than adding flex to the nib.
This one has still the standard feed and it performs ok.

So if you like tinkering with your pens, and you don’t have 2 left hands you can try to modify one yourself. (Maybe start with a cheap FPR flex nib so almost nothing is lost when something went wrong).
I think my initial EMF modding thread from many years ago is still available on FPN, this would be a good starting point to learn how to give a nib additional flex.

Thank you very much, I’ll try and find that. I feel like they changed the layout of FPN. So if I can’t find it, can you outline the basic idea of EMF or maybe a video link?


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[Pterodactylus]

The basic idea is to change the geometry shape of the nib to increase itˋs flexibility.
You can use a Dremel (rotary tool) or a needle file to modify the nib.
Be careful not to overdo and to do it symmetrically, what is gone is gone.

Removing material from the side of the nib, above the tines that the remaining material look like a wing.

Ahab_Ease_My_Flex_Mod_response_33 by Ptero Pterodactylus, auf Flickr

Additionally the tines itself can be thinned to help flexing.

Ahab_Ease_My_Flex_Mod_response_32 by Ptero Pterodactylus, auf Flickr

But don’t overdo it, the structural integrity of the nib must not be endangered.

Additionally the feed might need to be modified to support the increased flow afterwards.

On the Pelikan I did not formed such an explicit wing, instead I thinned the nib on a wider area (until it goes into the section), and additionally thinned the tines.
You can see it in this picture.


Quote 022 by Ptero Pterodactylus, auf Flickr



The dark side thread:
https://www.fountainpennetwork.com/f...e-my-flex-mod/

[spencerwilli]

Any info on the palladium nibs on the m100s? I have an opportunity to get one but I know nothing about them.


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[Pterodactylus]

Any info on the palladium nibs on the m100s? I have an opportunity to get one but I know nothing about them.


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The old pens do not have the „M“ prefix, therefore only Pelikan 100 (or 100N).

To my knowledge the Palladium nibs were only made between 1938 and 1940 due to the gold rationing in Germany.
Instead of gold first Palladium and later CN (steel) nibs were produced.

So the PD nibs were produced only a short time so they seem to be quite rare.
I do not own a PD or CN nib, but what I heard the quality is good, so I would not mind buying one of these.
They also vary in flexibility like the gold ones, most seem like the gold ones semi-flex.

I wonder why you consider a 100 with a PD nib as they are not fancier (quite simple visual nib design) than their gold brothers.