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    Chrissy,

    My comments I spent a few moments researching your question.

    I was a little understating, I did not wish to appear flash ( clever )


    I spent an hour or so looking at all the sold prices available.

    Firstly I when through all sold prices on ebay UK then USA

    Even looked at Germany, France and Canada ( none there )

    After that I went to Worthpoint, there were a few there.

    Then Catawiki records

    Lastly, all the large vintage pen dealers available on the net ( about 15 all, all in the USA ) , their sold pens.



    I think that I covered all avenues to arrive at an accurate valuation
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    Quote Originally Posted by penmainiac View Post
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    Personally, I would never make an offer out of ignorance. Do you homework before bidding. As JS said, others may read this later.
    Ive done quite a lot of reading on Parkers, I knew straight away from the listing that is was one of the famed golden webs, I just never thought the seller would accept such a low offer


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    Yes, Ive done the same, but never used the forum to confirm the offer.

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    I have a quick question please.

    Is this image correct when you view this pens barrel at a certain angle

    It looks like it is 3D
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    Looks normal to me. That pattern has always had a lot of 'life' to it, even more so in person. I'm really sorry they didn't do more with this style of celluloid.
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    Looks like that barrel has a name engraved on it.

    When buying lockdown vacs you really want to see as much of the filler as possible. If they are rotted expect to pay 50+ for a replacement

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    Quote Originally Posted by Farmboy View Post
    Looks like that barrel has a name engraved on it.

    When buying lockdown vacs you really want to see as much of the filler as possible. If they are rotted expect to pay 50+ for a replacement
    What specifically qualifies as lockdown filler rot? Ive heard the term thrown around, but not much info can be found online.


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    Quote Originally Posted by penmainiac View Post

    What specifically qualifies as lockdown filler rot?

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    I have never owned a Parker Vac before.

    All my collection is post 1948 - P51 Aero onwards.

    But I have worked on a few P51 Vac mainly out of interest look at and restore the filling systems.

    I was very surprised by this pen ( thanks, penmainiac )
    I always knew what they were but never looked that closely at one until now.
    What a vastly clever and attractive pattern

    My wanted list has been empty for years, I think I will add this to my list


    Today I read an article written by Mr. Jim Mamoulides

    https://www.penhero.com/PenGallery/P...cGoldenWeb.htm

    I have looked at this pen, restored @ 329

    nb I offer my further thanks to JS & Farmboy for their recent replies / comments on the barrel image that I posted.
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    Quote Originally Posted by christof View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by penmainiac View Post

    What specifically qualifies as lockdown filler rot?
    Ouch, that looks very scary. Is there anything particular that needs to be known about repairing these types of fillers? Im assuming it would be a huge no no to soak them, but what else should I be aware of?


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    Quote Originally Posted by penmainiac View Post
    Ouch, that looks very scary. Is there anything particular that needs to be known about repairing these types of fillers? Im assuming it would be a huge no no to soak them, but what else should I be aware of?
    As you can see, the 1st gen lockdown fillers can have issues of their own - in this case, a situation where a pen was stored with ink in it, eventually causing (likely after diaphragm failure) the aluminum tube of the filler to corrode away. Then you have an issue with sourcing replacement filler.

    This isn't my area. Farmboy is deeply knowledgable. All I can say is that vac fillers have a lot of twists and turns and unique bits of info and techniques, and need some special tools to do the work. If the pen is for yourself, it is probably a good time to send it to one of the people who already know how to work on these pens, unless you are planning on getting into vac restorations on a regular basis, which in that case an investment in tools would be a start, and then a lot of study online and with repair manuals.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jon Szanto View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by penmainiac View Post
    Ouch, that looks very scary. Is there anything particular that needs to be known about repairing these types of fillers? Im assuming it would be a huge no no to soak them, but what else should I be aware of?
    As you can see, the 1st gen lockdown fillers can have issues of their own - in this case, a situation where a pen was stored with ink in it, eventually causing (likely after diaphragm failure) the aluminum tube of the filler to corrode away. Then you have an issue with sourcing replacement filler.

    This isn't my area. Farmboy is deeply knowledgable. All I can say is that vac fillers have a lot of twists and turns and unique bits of info and techniques, and need some special tools to do the work. If the pen is for yourself, it is probably a good time to send it to one of the people who already know how to work on these pens, unless you are planning on getting into vac restorations on a regular basis, which in that case an investment in tools would be a start, and then a lot of study online and with repair manuals.
    Ive recently purchased the tools including a vac wrench, I think the direction I need now are maybe the old manuals or any other piece of information? Ive done work on normal 3rd gen vacs but never a lockdown so Im a bit curious how these can differ.


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    Quote Originally Posted by penmainiac View Post
    Ive recently purchased the tools including a vac wrench, I think the direction I need now are maybe the old manuals or any other piece of information? Ive done work on normal 3rd gen vacs but never a lockdown so Im a bit curious how these can differ.
    Got it. I know people who do some of this work that have old Parker manuals as well, but I don't know that those can be found these days. You are possibly already familiar with Richard Binder's vac repair page, though if not, that would be an important read. The other source I would suggest would be the Marshall/Oldfield book "Pen Repair", which has six pages on the vac filler restoration.

    And now I'm officially out of my depths. If you need more specific info on how to do the work on the lockdown era filler, others will have to weigh in.
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    More often they rot down at the barrel end where the tube slides through the cone where you can't see the damage until you take it out of the pen or disassemble the pump. The cause is a damaged diaphragm, leaking the often corrosive ink (permanent inks) into the pump and blind cap, and then left to sit there. The slit on the sides rots away and it jams, or the thing corrodes so badly that you can't dislodge it from the cone without breaking something. The notches are often worn because the owners simply turned the tube, instead of pushing down and then rotating to unlock it. Sometimes they can be cut again, but if worn too badly the end of the pump will hit the inside end of the blind cap and unlock on you, or pump ink out.

    If you find a clean lockdown filler for $50, don't even think about it, buy it.

    It's worth noting that if you have a good tube, the parts can be swapped around to fit into a larger or smaller pump. The only difference is the size of the cone and the thread bushing.

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    As to differences in disassembly, I see a lot of lockdowns that were damaged during removal. Usually crushed bodies or the metal tore because someone decided to pull it out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ron Z View Post
    More often they rot down at the barrel end where the tube slides through the cone where you can't see the damage until you take it out of the pen or disassemble the pump. The cause is a damaged diaphragm, leaking the often corrosive ink (permanent inks) into the pump and blind cap, and then left to sit there. The slit on the sides rots away and it jams, or the thing corrodes so badly that you can't dislodge it from the cone without breaking something. The notches are often worn because the owners simply turned the tube, instead of pushing down and then rotating to unlock it. Sometimes they can be cut again, but if worn too badly the end of the pump will hit the inside end of the blind cap and unlock on you, or pump ink out.

    If you find a clean lockdown filler for $50, don't even think about it, buy it.

    It's worth noting that if you have a good tube, the parts can be swapped around to fit into a larger or smaller pump. The only difference is the size of the cone and the thread bushing.
    Where could a clean lockdown filler be found? Ebay doesnt seem to have any separate filler units, would I have to buy a whole pen?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Farmboy View Post
    As to differences in disassembly, I see a lot of lockdowns that were damaged during removal. Usually crushed bodies or the metal tore because someone decided to pull it out.
    Yikes, I have a rod to push the filler out, do these lockdowns have the fragile ebonite pellet cups?


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    No fragile pellet cup. You want to push on the edge of the sleeve (cone shaped seat that hold the diaphragm) or you get crushed filler syndrome.

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    The problem is that the pellet cups aren't ebonite, they're celluloid, and can be very brittle. I've seen pens where the filler comes out, with no hint of a pellet cup anywhere in the pen. Jack Lynch makes hard rubber reproduction pellet cups that work very well.

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    Update: the pen came today! Condition was as I hoped, the pen was in delightful shape with a bit of surface wear, the filler shows no rot at all. The condition on the inside is still unclear but I will find out soon enough


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    It's always a relief when you see a clean filler under the blind cap, isn't it?

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