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    When liberals and conservatives work together to make an honest election it is not a cabal except to people trying to destroy American elections forever.
    Welch,

    Did you forget: It's the cabal which proudly identified itself as a cabal. I don't know why it did, but it did.
    Called itself a conspiracy as well. Don't know why it did, but it did.
    Read it in Time magazine.

    You can't walk back from that now.
    What??? Did you even bother to read? Of course, maybe your problem is understanding what you've read, so I'll explain it. Trump spent months before the election pretending that the ONLY way he could lose re-election would be if it was stolen from him. Poor baby. So you think it was, somehow, evil that Democrats and Republicans worked to make an honest election happen. How?

    OK, if you hate to read, watch the House Impeachment Managers make the case against Trump.

    - "No violence".

    - "It's too late for that. They don't listen without violence"

    https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...gtype=Homepage
    Welch, Welch-

    Stay on task here. Your entire post is an effort to run away from what was written by your people about your people.

    Remember this: "A great article in Time Magazine, detailing how Democrats and Republicans agreed to count every vote, to have an honest election." Who said that?
    What did the great article say? "There was a conspiracy unfolding behind the scenes, one that both curtailed the protests and coordinated the resistance from CEOs."
    "...even though it sounds like a paranoid fever dream–a well-funded cabal of powerful people, ranging across industries and ideologies, working together behind the scenes to influence perceptions, change rules and laws, steer media coverage and control the flow of information."

    To what end? "They were not rigging the election; they were fortifying it." Post 2. Who quoted that? Is there another "welch" on the board?

    The article you describe as "great" isn't referring to Trump supporters as a conspiracy, a cabal, something that sounds like a paranoid fever dream. It's talking about your people, protesting that they weren't rigging the election but had to secretly conspire to "fortify" the election.

    "Hoisted with your own petard" to coin a phrase.

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    Quote Originally Posted by welch View Post
    Hint? This is insane. What do you know about the Red Guards, Pendragon?
    They were a bunch of violent thugs who used culture and politics as convenient excuses for violence and destruction. Much like Antifa and the now co-opted BLM today, the antiwar protesters in the 1960s, or the Nazi brownshirts of my grandparents generation. In principle, all of them were motivated by idealism of some sort, but in fact the focus was always on recreational violence.

    Hint? Did Jewish Space Lazars create all the votes that were counted to give President Biden the victory?
    Given Trump's great support for our Israeli friends, I doubt it. Jewish space lasers would be way cool if they did exist, however. Even cooler than a guy wearing buffalo horns and carrying a spear, and that is pretty hard to do.

    Hint? When liberals and conservatives work together to make an honest election it is not a cabal except to people trying to destroy American elections forever.
    Correction, when the liberal and conservative elite (i.e. the Republicrat royalty) work together to outflank the average Joe and Jane. Maybe the elections were honest, and maybe not. If they were, great effort must have been made to conceal it, or at least ensure doubt was cast on the process. Our election process is pretty dialed if there is a large gap between the winner and loser. If the two candidates are running neck and neck, the process is woefully lacking. Of course, a big part of the problem is the losing side's willingness to admit defeat. That goes for both the Democrats and Republicans. People no longer tolerate dissent from their personal views. It started with the 2016 election and continues today. Elections have almost become a mere formality, valid only if "my side wins". That is not a worldview that should be encouraged by iffy elections.

    If Trump won the 2020 election, what do you think would have happened? It is not hard to realize the butt hurt left would have turned our city centers into giant bonfires and stormed the White House.

    Hint? When the President of the United States demands that a state's secretary of state "recalculate" the vote-count to make him a winner, that President is trying to overthrow elections.
    He was asking for an accurate vote count, one done in accordance with State and Federal laws. It was not entirely clear that that had happened. Notice that there was no question of the election results in Florida, where the results were available within an hour after the election. The rest of the states should adopt Florida's system.
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    Kazoolaw, your description of the Time Magazine article does not match the article. It describes people working to protect the vote as Trump insisted that the only way he would not win by "a landslide" would be if a shadowy something stole his votes. We saw that county and state election officials, who are not famous and fancy politicians, did their jobs as always. They counted the votes and Trump lost badly in both the Electoral vote and the popular vote.

    Further, Trump and his sycophants sued here there and everywhere, but lost again and again. On the merits of their weak cases. Sometimes the cases were insane and sometimes they could not present evidence because their supposed witnesses would not be sworn in to be cross-examined.

    Meanwhile, Pendragon should, at least, look up the Red Guards, devoted followers of Chairman Mao.

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    Quote Originally Posted by welch View Post
    Kazoolaw, your description of the Time Magazine article does not match the article.
    welch my friend,

    It's not my description of the article, it's my quotation of the article. I certainly understand trying to distance yourself from the self-professed cabal and the conspiracy, both sounding like a paranoid fever dream. But you can't: it's who they admit they are.

    I am sorry that the confession of conspiracy disheartened you so.

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    Oh, Kazoo, have you read the article?

    It says:

    A weird thing happened right after the Nov. 3 election: nothing.

    The nation was braced for chaos. Liberal groups had vowed to take to the streets, planning hundreds of protests across the country. Right-wing militias were girding for battle. In a poll before Election Day, 75% of Americans voiced concern about violence.

    Instead, an eerie quiet descended. As President Trump refused to concede, the response was not mass action but crickets. When media organizations called the race for Joe Biden on Nov. 7, jubilation broke out instead, as people thronged cities across the U.S. to celebrate the democratic process that resulted in Trump’s ouster.

    A second odd thing happened amid Trump’s attempts to reverse the result: corporate America turned on him. Hundreds of major business leaders, many of whom had backed Trump’s candidacy and supported his policies, called on him to concede. To the President, something felt amiss. “It was all very, very strange,” Trump said on Dec. 2. “Within days after the election, we witnessed an orchestrated effort to anoint the winner, even while many key states were still being counted.”

    In a way, Trump was right.

    There was a conspiracy unfolding behind the scenes, one that both curtailed the protests and coordinated the resistance from CEOs. Both surprises were the result of an informal alliance between left-wing activists and business titans. The pact was formalized in a terse, little-noticed joint statement of the U.S. Chamber of Commerce and AFL-CIO published on Election Day. Both sides would come to see it as a sort of implicit bargain–inspired by the summer’s massive, sometimes destructive racial-justice protests–in which the forces of labor came together with the forces of capital to keep the peace and oppose Trump’s assault on democracy.

    The handshake between business and labor was just one component of a vast, cross-partisan campaign to protect the election–an extraordinary shadow effort dedicated not to winning the vote but to ensuring it would be free and fair, credible and uncorrupted. For more than a year, a loosely organized coalition of operatives scrambled to shore up America’s institutions as they came under simultaneous attack from a remorseless pandemic and an autocratically inclined President. Though much of this activity took place on the left, it was separate from the Biden campaign and crossed ideological lines, with crucial contributions by nonpartisan and conservative actors. The scenario the shadow campaigners were desperate to stop was not a Trump victory. It was an election so calamitous that no result could be discerned at all, a failure of the central act of democratic self-governance that has been a hallmark of America since its founding.
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    Yes, but thought that the self-description as a "shadow effort" might have been too much for you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by welch View Post
    Meanwhile, Pendragon should, at least, look up the Red Guards, devoted followers of Chairman Mao.
    All champions of a Socialist utopia. We all saw how well that worked out, both during Mao's reign and in the Soviet Union. Why on earth should we try to repeat those failed experiments?

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    Meanwhile, Pendragon should, at least, look up the Red Guards, devoted followers of Chairman Mao.
    All champions of a Socialist utopia. We all saw how well that worked out, both during Mao's reign and in the Soviet Union. Why on earth should we try to repeat those failed experiments?
    The Red Guards acted at the order of Chairman Mao to drive out people Mao and Chou En Lai had chosen as the next leadership group. Armed with the Little Red Books, selections from Chairman Mao made by Comrade Lin Piao, they criticized-in-a-physical-way people like Liu Shao Chi. By about 1972 or 1973, Mao and other members of his ruling group had had enough. They killed Lin Piao, stopped the "Great Proletarian Cultural Revolution", and went on about their business. There were were several versions of "socialist utopia" replacing each other from the mid-1950s onward...starting with "Let a Hundred Flowers Bloom". Through all of it, the Chinese Communist Party ran things, as they still do.

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    Folks, I'm glad y'all are having fun. But serious question. Do you have any sense of how much all of this is making the US look deranged to the rest of the world?

    Take care,

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    Its about time the rest of the world saw what's behind the curtain.

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    I could make many analogies, but the fact that Americans are able and willing to discuss our problems is like a disfunctional family who doesn't tolerate a sexually abusive great grand father. With an old man, many turn a blind eye or dismiss the unthinkable as dementia. It is not. So, the US has been brewing this cup of coffee for decades and it finally popped the top off the purcolator.

    This past election turnout, the number of Republicans deciding to become independants, the attackers on the capital learning they were duped by a con artist, and the soon to be revealed Trump finances, will help ensure our future is a democracy.

    It is up to each of us to decide not to believe and repeat information that is not true. There are basic human rules that have endured like being kind, always tell the truth, and saying please and thank you. I had a HS football coach that liked to say "good guys finish last". I wish I could have responded that they may finish last, but their goodness remains.

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    Quote Originally Posted by welch View Post
    When the President of the United States demands that a state's secretary of state "recalculate" the vote-count to make him a winner, that President is trying to overthrow elections.
    That would be true only if there weren't significant irregularities that made the vote-count suspect. The mainstream media, owned by multinational interests that don't give a rat's posterior about the US, say there weren't any irregularities, but that doesn't necessarily make it so. Instead, they and their big tech buddies shut down everyone they can who doesn't agree with them. That is censorship, pure and simple.
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    The vote count questioned?? Really? He didn’t win the popular vote in the last election!!

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    The vote count questioned?? Really? He didn’t win the popular vote in the last election!!
    *sigh*

    Such willful ignorance and/or disingenuousness.
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    When the President of the United States demands that a state's secretary of state "recalculate" the vote-count to make him a winner, that President is trying to overthrow elections.
    That would be true only if there weren't significant irregularities that made the vote-count suspect. The mainstream media, owned by multinational interests that don't give a rat's posterior about the US, say there weren't any irregularities, but that doesn't necessarily make it so. Instead, they and their big tech buddies shut down everyone they can who doesn't agree with them. That is censorship, pure and simple.
    The state of Georgia says that it had a good election with an honest vote count. They recounted twice, or maybe three times. Do you have any basis for this, other than a bias against the Georgia Secretary of State, his election staff, and the people who ran elections in each county in Georgia?

    When a US President insists that a state "recalculate" its vote to find enough votes for him to have won that state, after all the recounts, then he is trying to demolish the US election system.

    In one of these threads, a few of us read through each of the Trump campaign's lawsuits in a half-dozen states. Including Georgia. There is the evidence you need to consider.

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    I am convinced, not that I will not stop trying, that if you tell some of these folks something they don't want to believe, they will not even consider. I used to thinki, twenty five years ago, that Rush Limbaugh was someone to consider. before it occured to me that he was not a doer, but a complainer. Any one can complain and it takes no talent. If I can change, so can they. We just have to be diligent.

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    I could change too, except I don't like Kool-Aid and I prefer to think for myself.
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    Quote Originally Posted by calamus View Post
    I could change too, except I don't like Kool-Aid and I prefer to think for myself.
    Those are not mutually exclusve.

    If thinking for yourself means you can think anything you want and think you're not drinking the "kool-aid", thats self deception. I am not being dismissive and I respect your decision to think whatever you decide to believe/think.

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    Default Re: "a conspiracy unfolding...." "...a well-funded cabal....

    Someone ask me during a conversation and she used the word " CONSPIRACY THEORY " AND ASKED ME DO YOU BELIEVE IN HOLOCAUST ?
    I never counter respond by asking when did exactly Hitler died? and where was he when it happened ?
    It is not rocket science to educate yourself.
    Some people in Australia they are waking over the "Jade" or "Black Opel" with out knowing they are walking over worthless rubbles where as it is a million dollar mine to the treasure diggers.
    It is simple as that and in our manipulative world they (Cabal- THE CONSPIRACIST ) use manipulative words and The word "CONSPIRACY THEORY" CAME TO THEIR VOCABULARY DURING 1960 THE killing of the JFK and they manipulate the whole assassination.
    So it is very easy way of HYPNOTISING AND MANIPULATING THE CROWD BY USING THE VOCABULARY.
    OF course I learn this from Mr DAVID ICKE , THE FAMOUS CONSPIRACY THEORIST.
    So Nostradamus or Edgar Casey , Nicola Teslas Leonardo da Vinci are "conspiracy theorists" ?? It is a good question to look at on a walken prospective.
    I think it is very silly to joins in a conversation on world politics or on religion on a forum like this and there are IMBECILES EVERYWHERE AND YOU MAY end up as a bad guy. I noticed it is here and we have that US culture war is spreading far in to wider horizon.
    It seems no one understand what is the worth of the Freedom of speak we grew up. I apologise for any offensive sense of my few words on CONSPIRACY THEORIES. wish you all a good discussion.
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