Vaccine question

[TSherbs]

No man is an island unto himself, Adhoc.

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[grainweevil]

I'm not talking about public in general, I'm talking about me...

My apologies. I thought you wrote all this in previous posts...

If the vaccine protected people around me this would be a no brainer...

If there would be a single benefit, I will take the booster shot...

The only reason we got vaccinated was for others around us, but now it seems like vaccines don't help in that regard whatsoever.

...and meant it. But I forget; YOU WILL NOT get severe symptoms from Covid. Amazing good fortune on your part; congrats. Would that we all had such a guarantee.

[dneal]

Quoted so everyone can see what a real piece of shit your are, Chuck. Why on earth would any human desire that for another? You're the "empathy" thread guy?

This, from one of the great douchebags of the back pages?

You actually know better, yet you still troll your shit back here. You never walk away from stupid tit for tat, you claim to be objective when you are not, and you openly express the pleasure of giving people grief. You even brag how nasty you can be, like a threat.

Chuck has actually been trying to be better. He used to be way more caustic. You haven't changed a smidgeon. Fuck off and troll someone other than a grandfather
whose grandchild was recently sick.

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Fuck you too, you self-righteous douchebag. Show me where I wished someone would die. You hypocritical fuck-sticks live in an alternate universe. Everyone who disagrees with your “facts” needs to leave, go away, shut up and now apparently die.

Point out how fucking horrible you people are, by simply quoting the shit that flows out of your pieholes, and I’m the asshole…. Yep, an alternate universe.

[adhoc]

My apologies. I thought you wrote all this in previous posts...

If the vaccine protected people around me this would be a no brainer...

If there would be a single benefit, I will take the booster shot...

The only reason we got vaccinated was for others around us, but now it seems like vaccines don't help in that regard whatsoever.

...and meant it. But I forget; YOU WILL NOT get severe symptoms from Covid. Amazing good fortune on your part; congrats. Would that we all had such a guarantee.

No man is an island unto himself, Adhoc.

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I'm sorry, am I not speaking English? What is the fundamental misunderstanding here? I said that in light of recent data stating that vaccinated people DO NOT (do not, I repeat do not, as in not doing, the opposite of do, the reciprocal value of positive) protect others because they transmit the virus EXACTLY THE SAME as unvaccinated people, and since the vaccine does not do anything to protect ME either, then I am questioning what is the point?

Is this now understandable? Do you understand the point that US CDC stated that vaccinated people transmit COVID EXACTLY THE SAME as unvaccinated people do?

Do you understand that me getting a booster shot DOES NOT (!!!!!!) do anything to protect others around me or me? What's the point then? Do you understand the question now?

[Chuck Naill]

Yes it does. Doing everything you can to help is the right thing to do.

You get a vaccine to first protect yourself and others. The ICU beds in Alabama are taken and taken by mostly unvaccinated people. There has been an increase of pediatric patients. The tragedy is that these children under 12 cannot receive a vaccine. Where are they contracting? From their unvaccinated family members, schools, general population? How do you justify your actions if it harms a six year old child. Is Donald Trump really that important?

Secondly, wear a mask and social distance.
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There are people who cannot receive a vaccine for various reason, but those who can should.

And for God's sake, stop being critical of medical people with expertise.

From a year ago account of an ICU nurse
https://twitter.com/JodiOrth/status/...555292162?s=20

[TSherbs]

Nevermind, Adhoc. You asked for other points of view, you got some.

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[adhoc]

Meh, I give up. It's clear to me my English is not good enough to convey the message that US CDC stated vaccines do nothing to slow the spread of the virus, only protect those at risk.

I didn't get an opinion here, I'm talking to a speaker with prerecorded message on repeat.

I'll see what my doctor says when I'll be eligible for a booster shot and follow her advice.

[TSherbs]

You actually know better, yet you still troll your shit back here. You never walk away from stupid tit for tat, you claim to be objective when you are not, and you openly express the pleasure of giving people grief. You even brag how nasty you can be, like a threat.

Fuck you too, you self-righteous douchebag. Show me where I wished someone would die.

Since I did not accuse you of this, why would I bother?

Your asshole-ishness comes in other varieties, which I listed.

And for the record, I have never claimed that liberals are better than conservatives, or anything generalized like that. My criticism has been about Trump and supporting that man (and *some* of his policies). I am always specific. I post many legit news items on the topics of the threads, and people are free to disagree with them. I am very critical of The Big Lie, and I will not stop calling it that and denigrating it. I will not stop calling people (adults, with working brains) "fools" who believe the lie. If this truth-telling is a form of "self-righteousness," do be it. I am guilty of a zealous protection of truth. This is what the gross mendacity of Trump has done to me.

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[adhoc]

Yes it does. Doing everything you can to help is the right thing to do.

You get a vaccine to first protect yourself and others. The ICU beds in Alabama are taken and taken by mostly unvaccinated people. There has been an increase of pediatric patients. The tragedy is that these children under 12 cannot receive a vaccine. Where are they contracting? From their unvaccinated family members, schools, general population? How do you justify your actions if it harms a six year old child. Is Donald Trump really that important?

Secondly, wear a mask and social distance.
.
There are people who cannot receive a vaccine for various reason, but those who can should.

And for God's sake, stop being critical of medical people with expertise.

From a year ago account of an ICU nurse
https://twitter.com/JodiOrth/status/...555292162?s=20

I'm not american, I don't give a fuck about Trump, and I care even less about your precious beloved politician of choice. I don't give a fuck about your politics and I don't make my health choices with your stupid president in mind. This isn't a discussion of politics, it's very simple to me: it's about vaccines, and in light of new data there's an interesting discussion to be had, as we were all hopeful vaccines would stop the spread, but it's clear now they DON'T.

No wonder you people hate each other, you can't separate politics from ANYTHING, not even vaccines. What a strange culture, seriously! Jesus fucking Christ!

[TSherbs]

I didn't get an opinion here, I'm talking to a speaker with prerecorded message on repeat.

wow, that's rather obnoxious to say to people who were trying to be thoughtful with you

You asked, "Am I missing something?" Some persons replied, yes, and explained. And now you insult them for those sincere replies to your question.

If you didn't want a "yes" reply, why did you post the question?



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[adhoc]

Nobody explained anything. You all ignored the new evidence I posted and proceeded to attack me, as if I'm absurd to even think about considering it, even though it's coming from your official channels.

[TSherbs]

And Adhoc, your English is just fine. Loud and clear, as we say.

It was pretty clear to me that Chuck doesn't know where you live and was conflating you with other posters here. You weren't saying where you live, that I recall. The posters replying to you are mostly in the US, where we are suffering a 4th wave of illness, 90% of which is among unvaccinated persons. There is MUCH tension over this because some hospitals here are overflowing and the rate of illness in children is rising. It is a national problem here, not just an individual one. And being vaccinated helps (tremendously) on the national scale, which you agree is true.

That is all that we have been saying.

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[TSherbs]

Nobody explained anything.

I explained my answers at length. That you reject them because they look at national epidemiological effects does not mean that I did not explain "anything." Again, why ask if you're just going to reject those who bring up a different point of view?



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[dneal]

Meh, I give up. It's clear to me my English is not good enough to convey the message that US CDC stated vaccines do nothing to slow the spread of the virus, only protect those at risk.

I didn't get an opinion here, I'm talking to a speaker with prerecorded message on repeat.

I'll see what my doctor says when I'll be eligible for a booster shot and follow her advice.

Yep.

--edit--

By the way, your English is fine and you have conveyed everything quite clearly. You simply are now starting to see the matrix these guys live in. I'd comment on your other posts, but you get it. There's no thought, just narrative, updated daily through their "credible news sources". The partisanship in America has moved well beyond the absurd. It has devolved to basically toddlers throwing tantrums over whatever has them irritated in a particular moment; and their lack of awareness (both self and societal) is near incomprehensible.

Note that you really only see the leftist side here. That's why they assume I'm a "Trumpist" or "Trumpian" or whatever they term it. They can't conceive of independent thought. Anyway, the right is just as rabid and absurd; and were they here I would be a "leftie" or "progressive".

[adhoc]

Nobody explained anything.

I explained my answers at length. That you reject them because they look at national epidemiological effects does not mean that I did not explain "anything." Again, why ask if you're just going to reject those who bring up a different point of view?



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Except you didn't. You told me how people are dying. And that's unfortunate, it really is. You also stated vaccines prevent death. And that's true. You stated that general populace being vaccinated translates to lower hospital load. And that is also true. None of these statements I ever doubted nor questioned.

My question wasn't "should an immunocompromised person get the vaccine?" or "do vaccines prevent difficult or terminal covid infections?". I asked what do people think for me, myself, me personally, in my personal situation, for myself, if I should get the booster shot, considering the vaccine neither protects me nor people around me (as new data showed). For this I was called selfish, a Trump supporter, etc.

I don't really understand why I have lost the privilege of even ever considering myself. I have to be honest the only reason I got the vaccine in the first place was to protect people around me. Now that that's no longer the case, as US CDC stated that even with the vaccine you can get easily infected and can easily (just as easily as non-vaccinated) transmit the disease, I don't see why should I, me personally, me for myself in my specific scenario, get the booster shot.

How is this question so difficult to grasp? There has got to be an issue with my communication or something I am missing, I do not know.

[dneal]

How is this question so difficult to grasp? There has got to be an issue with my communication or something I am missing, I do not know.

It is not, and you are communicating fine. You are a rational person trying to converse with the irrational.

[adhoc]

They can't conceive of independent thought. Anyway, the right is just as rabid and absurd; and were they here I would be a "leftie" or "progressive".

Seriously, this IS absurd! You can't even ask a question anymore. I clearly stated I am not decided yet, I'm just ASKING. You HAVE to belong to one side or the other and you must never, ever, even for a second, just ask a question. Both sides have pre-prepared answers to everything and you MUST conform to each and every narrative in everything pertaining to your life.

In my country, our president is a puppet, he's worthless, just a person to travel around and look nice with other leaders. Our president has NO power, absolutely NONE. We have a parliament and the parliament will typically consist of 6-7 political parties. So there's no bipartisanship, every elections you get a pamphlet and all of the political parties (~13-14 of them, typically) have their political plans lined out in there, typically these vary quite a lot in viewpoints and thoughts on various topics. Then you vote for the party you identify the most with. The party that gets the most votes gets first chance to form a coalition, but it has never happened that a single party would be able to do so on their own, as the coalition must be majority (>50% of the votes). Right now, 4 different political parties from a variety of political spectrum barely got together a majority coalition (>50%), and then there's 3-4 political parties that assembled "opposition".

This "us vs them" mentality is absolutely INSANE.

And even then, I do not understand why a person would idiolize a politician. He's a PUBLIC SERVANT and I'm paying for HIS salary. I'm his boss, not the other way around, and to even think for a second it's the other way around is such an absolutely alien concept to me.

[TSherbs]

I don't really understand why I have lost the privilege of even ever considering myself.

No one said this, adhoc.

How is this question so difficult to grasp? .

It isn't. Your question was quite basic and straightforward: am I missing something?

[TSherbs]

Seriously, this IS absurd! You can't even ask a question anymore.

<rollseyes>



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[Chuck Naill]

Yes it does. Doing everything you can to help is the right thing to do.

You get a vaccine to first protect yourself and others. The ICU beds in Alabama are taken and taken by mostly unvaccinated people. There has been an increase of pediatric patients. The tragedy is that these children under 12 cannot receive a vaccine. Where are they contracting? From their unvaccinated family members, schools, general population? How do you justify your actions if it harms a six year old child. Is Donald Trump really that important?

Secondly, wear a mask and social distance.
.
There are people who cannot receive a vaccine for various reason, but those who can should.

And for God's sake, stop being critical of medical people with expertise.

From a year ago account of an ICU nurse
https://twitter.com/JodiOrth/status/...555292162?s=20

I'm not american, I don't give a fuck about Trump, and I care even less about your precious beloved politician of choice. I don't give a fuck about your politics and I don't make my health choices with your stupid president in mind. This isn't a discussion of politics, it's very simple to me: it's about vaccines, and in light of new data there's an interesting discussion to be had, as we were all hopeful vaccines would stop the spread, but it's clear now they DON'T.

No wonder you people hate each other, you can't separate politics from ANYTHING, not even vaccines. What a strange culture, seriously! Jesus fucking Christ!

Did you read the linked post by an ICU nurse? I know you’re upset with me, but read it because it’s applicable.

No, we don’t go along to get along. And, yes politics is at the heart of why some have refused masks, social distance, and vaccines. The politicians know they will get the best care if they test positive, aka Trump’s own hospital experience is an example.
We have governors refusing funding if schools require masks.

It’s not strange in comparison to other cultures. We just have the freedom to express ourselves.