Vaccine question

[dneal]

More assigning of motive. Why not just read the words and take them for the content that is there? I'll be over in the Malone thread.

[TSherbs]

Cytotoxic spike response
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Thanks for this.



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[TFarnon]

It was another rough night at work. I won't go into details other than to say that an unvaccinated patient died yesterday. It wasn't pretty. This had been a perfectly healthy individual with no contributing health issues. No matter how you judge your own risk: Just go get the shots.

[Chuck Naill]

It was another rough night at work. I won't go into details other than to say that an unvaccinated patient died yesterday. It wasn't pretty. This had been a perfectly healthy individual with no contributing health issues. No matter how you judge your own risk: Just go get the shots.

Very sad and unnecessary.

[Chuck Naill]

As of today, all Alabama ICU beds are taken.

[TSherbs]

As of today, all Alabama ICU beds are taken.

Not a good position to be in (to state the obvious).

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[Chuck Naill]

Recent stats:

23k deaths in red states vs 11k in blue states.

[Chuck Naill]

As of today, all Alabama ICU beds are taken.

Not a good position to be in (to state the obvious).

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It’s not got to effect me since I am vaccinated and again wear a mask. I’m concerned for others who refuse both.

Almost everyday I here someone say they or a relative got the virus and had a hard time or their relationships died.

Are these just brainwashed Trumpians or is there a different phenomena occurring?

[TSherbs]

Some further info on various vaccine effectiveness, from a US study (by the CDC):

The Hill: CDC study finds Moderna vaccine most effective against hospitalization | TheHill.

https://thehill.com/policy/healthcar...ainst-covid-19

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[Chuck Naill]

By serendipity, I received two doses of the Moderna vaccine. I had read before getting that it had the best numbers.

[Chuck Naill]

Regarding Monoclonal Antibody treatment:
"With seven Southern states accounting for 70 percent of orders, the new process has unsettled some of their governors, who have made the antibody treatment central to their strategy for enduring a catastrophic wave of the Delta variant."
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/09/18/h...regeneron.html

[TFarnon]

Same here. It was only a matter of what my employer had that day. So I got Moderna for both doses, the second way back in January of this year.

[TSherbs]

This is good news, so far.

The reported Pfizer test results in children ages 5-11:

https://apnews.com/article/business-...d1f19690ed94c5

[adhoc]

This is good news, so far.

The reported Pfizer test results in children ages 5-11:

https://apnews.com/article/business-...d1f19690ed94c5

For sense of completeness, you could also post this: https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...suggests-study

[Chuck Naill]

For more completeness and hopefully dneal will give a thank you.

Two weeks ago, only two or three children a day would come into Dr. Nick Hysmith’s hospital in Memphis, Tennessee, with Covid-19, usually ones who were admitted for other reasons, like broken bones.

This week, he is seeing as many as 28 children under 18 a day, some of them landing in the intensive care unit.

Around the country, child hospitalizations for Covid-19 have increased to levels not seen since January, when U.S. cases and deaths were at their highest levels, according to the latest government data. Doctors in the hospitals hardest hit by the recent surge say the situation is worse than it was in January.

It happened fast: As of Wednesday, U.S. hospitals were tending to an average of more than 1,200 children a day, twice the number from the end of July and four times from the start of July, according to an NBC News analysis of data released this week by the Department of Health and Human Services.

The data show the U.S. facing another peak in child hospitalizations as the delta variant of the coronavirus hits communities hesitant to get vaccinated. And while unvaccinated adults are filling ICUs in parts of the South, minors in those areas are filling up the pediatric wings at an alarming pace."
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news...-2021-n1277119

"CNN
Nearly 226,000 Covid-19 cases were reported in children last week, pediatrician group says"
https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/med...cid=uxbndlbing

[adhoc]

That, to me, does not add to the completeness, as I see no relations between the numbers in relative terms, so I don't understand the numbers. The study above, which has not yet been peer reviewed (!), suggests that for boys (and only boys specifically), aged 12-17, myocarditis occurs 4 times more commonly as severe COVID cases, from ~44 per million to ~162.2 per million. That's a 400% increase and clearly shows you the relative relation between the two outcomes. If that's true, boys should be exempt, because the vaccine can not cause more harm than it does good.

"28 children a day" tells me nothing. "some of them landing in the intensive care unit" says even less. Words like "some", "like", "almost", and such are, for example, not allowed in engineering. Why anyone would accept that as a source of information when it comes to medicine is unreasonable to me. I sometimes mentor bachelors / masters / doctorate theses in engineering at my university. My mentees are forbidden from using such words. I am also sometimes in the committee for bachelors / masters / doctorate dissertations in engineering at my university. If I saw words like this used, I would fail them.

6 or so months ago you were against me when I pointed out how some of the vector vaccines indicate disproportionate threat to younger women, even when compared to the illness. You called me many things, but me being right has never even occurred to you. Today, these vaccines are banned in Europe and USA.

I'm afraid one-size-fits-all solutions do not work in the real world, because we do not live in Lego world.

[Chuck Naill]

Are you just perpetually pissed off?

The children are in the hospital because they cannot receive the vaccine. The majority of adults in the ICU and dying are unvaccinated.

If I were hospitalized, I cannot imagine the cost I would be charged. While, the vaccine is free here.

So, if we are wanting a complete understanding, while vaccines carry risk, the risk is relative to enduring an infection and cost of hospitalization.

[TSherbs]

This is good news, so far.

The reported Pfizer test results in children ages 5-11:

https://apnews.com/article/business-...d1f19690ed94c5

For sense of completeness, you could also post this: https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...suggests-study

Thanks for posting this, despite the snark.

[TSherbs]

For more completeness and hopefully dneal will give a thank you.

word

<rollseyes>

[adhoc]

For more completeness and hopefully dneal will give a thank you.

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<rollseyes>

So you'd agree to use a vaccine on a group of people, to whom it is 400% more likely to harm than the illness itself? The study isn't peer reviewed yet, sure, but if it's true, that would be lunacy. I have noticed the other person is functionally and mathematically completely illiterate, as well as hysterical, but I am disappointed to see it coming from you. I really hope I misunderstood you.

Sorry for the perceived snarkness, it was not intended as such.