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    Default Re: Which papers to try out

    I forgot to mention, but there are also non cellulose based paper, if you want to be more adventurous (cotton/linen, or mix). These types of paper behave very differently than wood based paper. The texture is quite different than 'normal' paper. The paper is absorbant and behaves differently with ink.

    Here is a thread which explains it all in detail.

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    Personally, I stick to Tomoe, but I'd recommend looking into ayushpaper.com. Shipping is the expensive bit but they've got some good products there. From the reviews of their paper online, there's no bleed through and minimal ghosting, if any.

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    Well I got RŲssler papier today and I wouldn't recommend it at all. It reminds me of "SchŲllershammer papier" (it's how we call it, no idea what's that in English); basically a very rough paper best used for color pencils and such. What a huge disappointment. I think the paper itself is high quality, but it's everything a paper for fountain pens isn't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mandy1252 View Post
    Personally, I stick to Tomoe, but I'd recommend looking into ayushpaper.com. Shipping is the expensive bit but they've got some good products there. From the reviews of their paper online, there's no bleed through and minimal ghosting, if any.
    You can find Ayush here in the US now. I got mine from Federalistpens.com

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    Quote Originally Posted by Inkflow View Post
    Tomoe River has to be tried out if youíre in the fountain pen hobby. That being said, itís a niche product, useful IMO primarily for journaling. Why? Itís flimsy (at least the 52 gsm Iíve tried) and while it doesnít bleed or feather greatly, it exhibits plenty of show through. The pressure from writing also etches the reverse side of the sheet youíre writing on. I would hesitate to write even informal correspondence on it. I read on another forum someone asked for stationery recommendations and sure enough Tomoe River and washi tape popped up. Those are fine choices if you like the DIY/crafting school of stationery, but for many people itís far outside of the mainstream compared to Crane, Southworth, Smythson, and other heavyweight papers. Has anyone ever sold engraved or even thermographed stationery on TR? I rest my case. Will I continue using it? Sure, just in appropriate situations.
    I like the 52gsm in notebook or journal format only, I find it too flimsy to enjoy using as stationary. I love the 68gsm, which I only have used in notebooks but am looking to buy in loose sheets. If I didnít know, I wouldnít even think it was Tomoe River. Itís much thicker, more substantial, kind of like a marriage between the 52gsm and Leuchtturm 1917. Itís my current favorite paper.

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    Onion skin paper isn't made any more, but I like it for fountain pen letter writing, although it shows through to the back, but doesn't bleed through. I believe it's 25% cotton. You can still find it around on eBay, etsy, etc. Our own jbb often carries it. The price varies, and not all onion skin is created equal. There's one company hat makes modern paper that it alls onion skin, but it doesn't have any cotton fiber and it's not the real stuff.

    I like Midori (not the cotton stuff, but the other kind) for inks with sheen -- it really shows it off dramatically, make it look really spectacular.
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    People who use loose sheets, what method do you use to gather them?

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    Quote Originally Posted by calamus View Post
    Onion skin paper isn't made any more, but I like it for fountain pen letter writing, although it shows through to the back, but doesn't bleed through. I believe it's 25% cotton. You can still find it around on eBay, etsy, etc. Our own jbb often carries it. The price varies, and not all onion skin is created equal. There's one company hat makes modern paper that it alls onion skin, but it doesn't have any cotton fiber and it's not the real stuff.

    I like Midori (not the cotton stuff, but the other kind) for inks with sheen -- it really shows it off dramatically, make it look really spectacular.
    Thanks for the plug Calamus. Yes, I currently have some vintage onionskin paper, as well as other weights of watermarked, vintage paper in my etsy store. I love using vintage paper for both fountain and dip pens. It's nearly always at least 25% cotton but I've had it at 100% cotton and even thinner than the already thin 9 lb. onionskin. Some of the paper is watermarked "rag" content as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Inkflow View Post
    People who use loose sheets, what method do you use to gather them?
    I make my own pads with white glue, some clamps and cardboard as backing.
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    I feel like there's no way to avoid Tomoe River discussions in these parts, even if you specifically point out in OP you don't want Tomoe River xD I seriously dislike everything about that paper; it sheens a lot, it's thin, easy to wrinkle, it makes your line wider, ...

    Anyway, I have since learned that cosmo air light is just like tomoe river, but even more in the sheening and line widening direction, with some people reporting their EF line turning into a medium. Useless, I'll pass.

    I did make an order from the journal shop from UK, as Chrissy has kindly informed me that VAT isn't supposed to be paid at customs office, which was then also confirmed by the shops customer support. Let's see. That would be nice.

    After the huge disappointment that was RŲssler's paper, I'm going to try out Apica, Apica premium, Mnemosyne, and Life paper. Additionally, I'll be testing out the B5 format, which I have never used before, as well as dots ruling.

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    Onion skin paper isn't made any more, but I like it for fountain pen letter writing, although it shows through to the back, but doesn't bleed through. I believe it's 25% cotton. You can still find it around on eBay, etsy, etc. Our own jbb often carries it. The price varies, and not all onion skin is created equal. There's one company hat makes modern paper that it alls onion skin, but it doesn't have any cotton fiber and it's not the real stuff.
    Thankfully she doesn't ship to Canada. Otherwise I would be ruined

    Yes, I currently have some vintage onionskin paper, as well as other weights of watermarked, vintage paper in my etsy store. I love using vintage paper for both fountain and dip pens. It's nearly always at least 25% cotton but I've had it at 100% cotton and even thinner than the already thin 9 lb. onionskin. Some of the paper is watermarked "rag" content as well.
    How does the onionskin paper fare compared to Midori cotton? ... Midori cotton is very absorbant and not fp friendly....

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    Quote Originally Posted by adhoc View Post
    I feel like there's no way to avoid Tomoe River discussions in these parts, even if you specifically point out in OP you don't want Tomoe River xD I seriously dislike everything about that paper; it sheens a lot, it's thin, easy to wrinkle, it makes your line wider, ...

    Anyway, I have since learned that cosmo air light is just like tomoe river, but even more in the sheening and line widening direction, with some people reporting their EF line turning into a medium. Useless, I'll pass.

    I did make an order from the journal shop from UK, as Chrissy has kindly informed me that VAT isn't supposed to be paid at customs office, which was then also confirmed by the shops customer support. Let's see. That would be nice.

    After the huge disappointment that was RŲssler's paper, I'm going to try out Apica, Apica premium, Mnemosyne, and Life paper. Additionally, I'll be testing out the B5 format, which I have never used before, as well as dots ruling.
    I have the Cosmo paper in the Cosmo Note soft cover A5. Yes, itís a little bit absorbent...but an EF to a medium sounds extreme, except maybe with very wet inks. Itís an unusual paper, has a soft, almost sueded feel to it...and gives beautiful shading. I took a few minutes to make you a writing sample with different nib sizes, inks used are either JHerbin or Iroshizuku, plus iron gall where indicated.
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    Thank you, that's very helpful. However I really don't want wider line, as I mostly write with a flex nib.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Inkflow View Post
    People who use loose sheets, what method do you use to gather them?
    I bought 6000 sheets of cosmo air from Rakuten for a groupbuy I ran some time ago. When I run out of sheets I will probably do something similar.

    You can also do this with tomoe river.

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    Default Re: Which papers to try out

    no mention of G Lalo? great for letter writing

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    Quote Originally Posted by MHBRU View Post
    no mention of G Lalo? great for letter writing
    It is but availability isn't what it was, at least over here, I've only recently seen it as laid paper and I prefer my letter writing papers to be smooth.
    Elco James Velin is a similar beautifully smooth paper with a deckle edge but that's out of stock everywhere over here too.
    Clairefontaine Triomphe seems to be one that doesn't suffer from availability issues and can still be found at a reasonable price.

    Just in case anyone is considering buying paper from The Journal Shop they have a 15% offer on this weekend. Their Life Bank writing paper is nice but it's B5 size not A4 for those users who have DL envelopes.
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    I finally took some time to do more than just a little sample writing on Franklin Christoph paper....I got the pad and the TN size 3 pack of notebooks. The paper doesnít feel thin, but itís more absorbent than I like. There is slight feathering with wetter inks, better with finer nibs. I can find no real fault with it as far as performance goes - it just feels like writing on cheap paper. It could also be the darker color of the paper, I might like it more if it didnít have that purple tinge to it. Online reviews are good, but I just donít find anything special about it. Too bad, because I like buying from them, being an American company, and the paper is made from bamboo and is inexpensive.

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    I've enjoyed bagasse papers, but they've become harder to find. I bought a boatload of bagasse looseleaf when Staples closed it out about ten years ago. I'm on my last pack. The texture of bagasse paper gives pleasant feedback and the slight absorbency helps with some pens. Staples may still carry some bagasse notebooks. However, they're always changing suppliers, which means you never know what you'll get. I hate Staples.

    I've used and enjoyed various Japanese bound notebooks since my student days. I like the Tsubame Nohto notebooks best. I also have an Apica 1000 Year notebook that has worked out pretty well. I prefer its slightly softer feel to some of their premium papers, which are too slick for me. I'm not sure if they still make that one or whether it was ever sold anywhere but Japan. I've also used Miquelrius composition books. Unfortunately, Miquelrius notebooks are almost all spiral bound. I've only found the composition books in Montreal at Nota Bene. The paper is standard decent paper, but Clairfontaine Seyes ruled sheets are good for calligraphy practice. Not sure if that's available in non-francophone places.

    Other than that, i use a lot of the same papers & notebooks everyone else does: Rhodia staplebound, Tomoegawa loose sheets and bound notebooks, generally all blank.

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    Quote Originally Posted by guyy View Post
    I've enjoyed bagasse papers, but they've become harder to find. I bought a boatload of bagasse looseleaf when Staples closed it out about ten years ago. I'm on my last pack. The texture of bagasse paper gives pleasant feedback and the slight absorbency helps with some pens. Staples may still carry some bagasse notebooks. However, they're always changing suppliers, which means you never know what you'll get. I hate Staples.

    I've used and enjoyed various Japanese bound notebooks since my student days. I like the Tsubame Nohto notebooks best. I also have an Apica 1000 Year notebook that has worked out pretty well. I prefer its slightly softer feel to some of their premium papers, which are too slick for me. I'm not sure if they still make that one or whether it was ever sold anywhere but Japan. I've also used Miquelrius composition books. Unfortunately, Miquelrius notebooks are almost all spiral bound. I've only found the composition books in Montreal at Nota Bene. The paper is standard decent paper, but Clairfontaine Seyes ruled sheets are good for calligraphy practice. Not sure if that's available in non-francophone places.

    Other than that, i use a lot of the same papers & notebooks everyone else does: Rhodia staplebound, Tomoegawa loose sheets and bound notebooks, generally all blank.

    "Avoid haphazard writing materials. A pedantic adherence to certain papers, pens, inks is beneficial. No luxury, but an abundance of these utensils is indispensable." -- Walter Benjamin, One Way Street
    I used to buy the Miquelrius soft cover A5-ish size bound notebooks at Barnes & Noble, but I donít see them there anymore. I have seen them on Amazon, though.

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    Apicia's paper is nice - my Japanese nibs love it.

    Also Monokaki's books are nice (but expensive).

    Basildon bond pads are great for correspondance. Their champagne paper looks lovely with brown ink.

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