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    Default Noodler’s Ottoman Rose

    Noodler’s Ottoman Rose

    This is one the earliest inks I bought. One of those rare inks that can handle Jinhao 450 fude nibs with no problem and never dries out.
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    20210623_075724.jpg

    I do a lot of editing and I truly enjoy jotting notes and doodling with a fine nib.
    Ottoman Rose-Sketch.jpg

    Ink has decent water resistance, i.e., most of your text will be legible with a minor spill.

    Ottomoan water before.jpeg
    Ottoman Rose water test -after.jpeg
    The only downside is dry time is high with wet pens and non-absorbent paper, Duh! This can easily be mitigated with finer nibs and absorbent paper, obviously. Suffice to say, if you’re lefty over writer who like wide nibs, wet pens and water-resistant paper and write from right to left, you’re in trouble!

    So, what make this ink special, besides it being very well behaved, wet, lubricated, and vibrant?

    The name.
    The name?!
    “What’s in a name? That which we call a rose by any other name would smell as sweet.
    Indeed.
    Ottoman rose - 1.jpg

    I am not sure if Nathan Tardif had this originally in mind but here goes:

    The artwork is a scene from a harem.
    Ottoman Rose231.jpg

    The name Ottoman Rose reminds me of a semi-double gallica (French) rose, La Belle Sultane. What does a French rose to do with the Ottoman Turks?



    Patience.

    The rose is named after Aimée Dubucq de Rivery, a distant cousin of Josephine Beauharnais, Napoleon Bonaparte’s love and first wife.


    Aimée was sent to France to attend an academy for young girls. On her return her to Martinique her ship was attacked by pirates, and she was sold off to the harem of the Ottoman King (Sultan) of the time.
    She gave birth to the future Mahmoud II.
    The rose was named after her.
    Now most of the story is false and seems out of the Angelique series. But then again, stories are here to take us away.

    La Belle Sultane, has not been as cooperative as the ink, this year, its flowers, due to the early heat waves, were pink and not that rich deep burgundy colour as above. However a slight wash did the trick.

    Ottoman Rose301.jpg


    Here are some text samples.
    Midori - Text start with fude... finishes with medium.
    Ottoman Rose midori.jpg

    Tomoe River 68 gr - note the colour changed compared with Midori

    Ottoman Rose TR 68gr.jpeg
    Comparaison:
    Ottoman Rose _Comparaison.jpeg


    · Pens used: Pilot Metropolitan fine, Jinhao 450 fude nib
    · Shading: Depends on paper
    · Ghosting: Depends on the paper
    · Bleed through: On copy paper with a wide, wet nib.
    · Flow Rate: Nice and wet
    · Lubrication: Nice
    · Nib Dry-out: Nope.
    · Start-up: No problem.
    · Saturation: Unabashedly pink
    · Shading Potential: Wet flex nib yes.
    · Sheen: No
    · Spread / Feathering / Woolly Line: Didn’t notice.
    · Nib Creep / “Crud”: None
    · Staining (pen): Nope. Easy to clean…
    · Clogging: Not at all
    · Water resistance: Won’t survive a flood but it will fight off a glass of water gallantly.
    · Availability: Only in bottle.

    Enjoy!

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    Default Re: Noodler’s Ottoman Rose

    Thank-you for the lovely review Yazeh! Noodler's Ottoman Rose is Nathan's interpretation of the long lost ink known as Sheaffer's Persian Rose, a color no one really has a good idea of since the few surviving samples have changed color over the decades.

    I wrote a rambling post about it back in November 2018, trying to find a way to recreate the color when I still had access to a full analytical laboratory.

    https://fpgeeks.com/forum/showthread...r-Persian-Rose

    (Sorry for the tangent.) Now back to the original thread!

    All the Best.

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    Default Re: Noodler’s Ottoman Rose

    Thanks a lot for the detailed link, I enjoyed reading about it.
    It's confusing, Shah's and Ottoman's Rose. Unusual choice to use two rivals. After all Pesian's and Ottoman's were rival for centuries... if not millennia (if we consider the Byzantine)
    I didn't post Ottoman Rose's chroma. I can, if you're interested, but it's just pink....so I didn't bother...
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    Default Re: Noodler’s Ottoman Rose

    Quote Originally Posted by Yazeh View Post
    Thanks a lot for the detailed link, I enjoyed reading about it.
    It's confusing, Shah's and Ottoman's Rose. Unusual choice to use two rivals. After all Pesian's and Ottoman's were rival for centuries... if not millennia (if we consider the Byzantine)
    I didn't post Ottoman Rose's chroma. I can, if you're interested, but it's just pink....so I didn't bother...
    Maybe that may be the actual reason FOR choosing those two names?...
    The rivalry between the two camps who insist that THEIR bottle/memory of Skrip Persian rose looked like A!(Ottoman rose) or the camp who insisted that camp A was wrong, and that in fact, Persian rose looked like B!(shah's rose)
    Nathan having a bottle/sample of both, replicated both and then named them in a funny way?... he DOES enjoy his names having significance

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    Since the Sheaffer's Perian Rose ink has come up in the conversation, here are a couple of images. I believe JJ's thread referenced above was earlier than my 3rd image, which was done for a 30 inks in 30 days project. I made it to Day #11, I think. Typical...



    "When Men differ in Opinion, both Sides ought equally to have the Advantage of being heard by the Publick;
    and that when Truth and Error have fair Play, the former is always an overmatch for the latter."

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    Default Re: Noodler’s Ottoman Rose

    Thank-you Jon. You always do a great job composing your photos.

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    Quote Originally Posted by junglejim View Post
    Thank-you Jon. You always do a great job composing your photos.
    Thank you, Jim, that is kind of you. I should have mentioned that in the last photo, the background is an image of Persian roses in the gardens of the Shah Abbas Mosque in Isfahan, Iran.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yazeh View Post
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    This is one the earliest inks I bought.
    Yazeh, thank you for a lovely post, filled with information and delightful images. I'm contemplating a bottle of that ink... and I hardly need another bottle of ink!!
    "When Men differ in Opinion, both Sides ought equally to have the Advantage of being heard by the Publick;
    and that when Truth and Error have fair Play, the former is always an overmatch for the latter."

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    I must check out my bottle of Persian Rose to see what colour it looks now. It was always a different shade to Jon's bottle.
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    Default Re: Noodler’s Ottoman Rose

    Thanks for the excellent review and thread.
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    Default Re: Noodler’s Ottoman Rose

    Nice review! I like this shade. I’m forever searching for an ink similar to the Uniball Signo DX gel ink “Bordeaux Black”….this looks close - a little pinker, but close!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jon Szanto View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by junglejim View Post
    Thank-you Jon. You always do a great job composing your photos.
    Thank you, Jim, that is kind of you. I should have mentioned that in the last photo, the background is an image of Persian roses in the gardens of the Shah Abbas Mosque in Isfahan, Iran.
    Jon thanks for these lovely photos. There is the slight possibility that the rose in photo not being a "Persian" rose. Now if my rose memory serves me right, the actual Persian rose, used to make rose water is a semi-double rose.


    The one in your photo looks like a hybrid tea rose
    It is obviously understandable that no municipality would like to plant roses that flower once a year for a brief moment of time


    And it is foolhardy to attempt recreate the exact hue of any flower, in this case a specific rose as the colour can be affected by environmental factors

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    Quote Originally Posted by Malcolm View Post
    Thanks for the excellent review and thread.
    Thanks. We need to thank junglejim, Jon and Chrissy for bringing their wealth of knowledge

    Quote Originally Posted by Igraine View Post
    Nice review! I like this shade. I’m forever searching for an ink similar to the Uniball Signo DX gel ink “Bordeaux Black”….this looks close - a little pinker, but close!
    Thanks...
    You can always opt for Black Rose in Australian or English Roses...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yazeh View Post

    Thanks. We need to thank junglejim, Jon and Chrissy for bringing their wealth of knowledge

    Quote Originally Posted by Igraine View Post
    Nice review! I like this shade. I’m forever searching for an ink similar to the Uniball Signo DX gel ink “Bordeaux Black”….this looks close - a little pinker, but close!

    Thanks...
    You can always opt for Black Rose in Australian or English Roses...
    Black Swan in English Roses has a cool backstory:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_SFFy3xIkcA

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    Quote Originally Posted by Malcolm View Post
    Thanks for the excellent review and thread.
    Quote Originally Posted by Igraine View Post
    Nice review! I like this shade. I’m forever searching for an ink similar to the Uniball Signo DX gel ink “Bordeaux Black”….this looks close - a little pinker, but close!
    Quote Originally Posted by INeedAFinancialAdvisor View Post

    Black Swan in English Roses has a cool backstory:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_SFFy3xIkcA
    Thank you so much, for this link. I was working on review of Black Swan and the backstory gives even more poignancy to what I knew.. much appreciated...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yazeh View Post
    Jon thanks for these lovely photos. There is the slight possibility that the rose in photo not being a "Persian" rose. Now if my rose memory serves me right, the actual Persian rose, used to make rose water is a semi-double rose.
    You very well could be correct. I want to state clearly: this is not an area of any expertise at all for me - either historically, geopolitically, or horticulturally. So I approached it (originally) with care and not being too certain of things. For any who would be interested in the specific page of information on Persian roses that I accessed the image from, it is here and includes a number of other photos from the general area. Maybe this will fill in the picture a little more.
    "When Men differ in Opinion, both Sides ought equally to have the Advantage of being heard by the Publick;
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jon Szanto View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Yazeh View Post
    Jon thanks for these lovely photos. There is the slight possibility that the rose in photo not being a "Persian" rose. Now if my rose memory serves me right, the actual Persian rose, used to make rose water is a semi-double rose.
    You very well could be correct. I want to state clearly: this is not an area of any expertise at all for me - either historically, geopolitically, or horticulturally. So I approached it (originally) with care and not being too certain of things. For any who would be interested in the specific page of information on Persian roses that I accessed the image from, it is here and includes a number of other photos from the general area. Maybe this will fill in the picture a little more.
    In retrospect, Nathan's goal was to recreate Skrip Persian Rose ink .....and not a rose (plant). In my photos I have used three roses, one Canadian, one US and one French.... they all seem share something with the Persian, Ottoman or Arabian rose...


    Jim, here is Ottoman Rose's chroma...

    Ottoman Rose - Chroma.jpg

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    Default Re: Noodler’s Ottoman Rose

    just in case you wanted to compare, here's Shah's Rose
    (chroma is on a coffee filter, slightly cream colour of main paper is because it's a Rhodia WebNotebook and that paper is not optical white like Clairefontaine paper is)
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