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    I never knew 81 million people could be so quiet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chuck Naill View Post

    For me, Biden was the best of two poor choices.
    Biden was a grade C choice. Trump was an F.

    If you are so concerned about the Constitution you would have had a different reaction to Trump's January 6th speech. THere is plently un-Constitutional material to consider including trying to overturn a democratic election. This tells me you are not really that concerned.
    Whispers of unconstitutionality with Joe are frivolous.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dneal View Post
    I never knew 81 million people could be so quiet.
    Troll 😂😂

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chuck Naill View Post
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    I never knew 81 million people could be so quiet.
    Troll 😂😂
    No, I think many citizens neither understand nor care about the Constitutional balance of power.

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    Do you think Trump cares, Kaz? Really, be honest.

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    Do you have a specific instance in mind?

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    Quote Originally Posted by kazoolaw View Post
    Do you have a specific instance in mind?
    His often mentioned Jan 6 speech. I've posted this so many times. If you haven't read, you should so you know from which I speak.

    So, I am not posting something someone said he said. I am posted a transcript of what he actually said. Are you intentionally ignoring?

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    Apple, meet orange.

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    You asked for evidence and you responded as you usually do. Sad!!

    In that speech Trump blamed others for not doing his will, wanted Pence to do something he could not do, and vilified anyone he saw as against him. As a result, the insurrectionists were chanting "hang Pence". Some of them said they were doing what they thought Trump wanted. If you have read the transcript, would it be possible they misunderstood? There were deaths on January 6. There were racial slurrs said. It all seems so obvious. I bet in your private thoughts you fully understand and agree with what I am saying, but you can't admit it here.

    Didn't he say the insurrectionists with peaceful and great people?

    Didn't he say he would march with the insurrectionists and then said later he didn't mean it literally?

    Is Trump someone you would trust if your life depended on it?

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    No, I'll not feed your obsession.

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    Is Trump someone you would trust if your life depended on it?
    You would have to ask those people that got left in Afghanistan…
    "A truth does not mind being questioned. A lie does not like being challenged."

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    Quote Originally Posted by dneal View Post
    Is Trump someone you would trust if your life depended on it?
    You would have to ask those people that got left in Afghanistan…
    So, no you wouldn't since he brokered the deal with terrorists.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chuck Naill View Post
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    Is Trump someone you would trust if your life depended on it?
    You would have to ask those people that got left in Afghanistan…
    So, no you wouldn't since he brokered the deal with terrorists.
    Trump is no longer the President, and Biden is as free to renegotiate whatever he wants with the Taliban as he is to rejoin the Paris Climate Accords or the UN Arms Treaty.

    Yes, were I an American citizen left stranded in Afghanistan by the sitting President, I’d take my chances with the guy who tweets mean stuff. You would be sitting there like a California school teacher, glad the orange one is gone as the Taliban cut your head off.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dneal View Post
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    Is Trump someone you would trust if your life depended on it?
    You would have to ask those people that got left in Afghanistan…
    So, no you wouldn't since he brokered the deal with terrorists.
    Trump is no longer the President, and Biden is as free to renegotiate whatever he wants with the Taliban as he is to rejoin the Paris Climate Accords or the UN Arms Treaty.

    Yes, were I an American citizen left stranded in Afghanistan by the sitting President, I’d take my chances with the guy who tweets mean stuff. You would be sitting there like a California school teacher, glad the orange one is gone as the Taliban cut your head off.
    In life, we must sometimes clean up messes rather than have the freedom to make our own. Holding Biden solely responsible just makes people appear uninformed. However, if your looking for a reason, this one is as good as another. 👍👍

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    Who had 7 months to correct Trump's supposedly horrible negotiations?

    Who left Americans in Afghanistan? School teachers and students (why they were there is inexplicable, but those are Californians for you).

    Sorry buddy, the current guy and his admin fucked it up; not the Orange guy.
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    How would the Trump deal have been altered? When you open the door, it’s hard to shut.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chuck Naill View Post
    How would the Trump deal have been altered? When you open the door, it’s hard to shut.
    How was Paris Climate altered? By the order of the fucking President. The previous guy had no problem slamming that door and not giving it a second thought.

    But here's a quick lesson on international negotiations 101. When you have the world's most powerful military, you can alter any deal you want. See: Machiavelli

    Who is President now? Who has been President since January?
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    Now let's get back on topic, at least until Chuck wanders in babbling more unrelated nonsense.

    A few days ago, the Supreme Court ruled that the CDC's new moratorium order exceeded executive authority. Dems are still trying to wiggle around it (to include the President, apparently).

    "The courts have decided", right? The current President appears to not respect that when it doesn't work his way.

    https://www.jurist.org/news/2021/08/...on-moratorium/
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    Quote Originally Posted by dneal View Post
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    How would the Trump deal have been altered? When you open the door, it’s hard to shut.
    How was Paris Climate altered? By the order of the fucking President. The previous guy had no problem slamming that door and not giving it a second thought.

    But here's a quick lesson on international negotiations 101. When you have the world's most powerful military, you can alter any deal you want. See: Machiavelli

    Who is President now? Who has been President since January?
    Not the same and sorry you can’t tell the difference.
    The Paris accord was a previously held alliance. It was simply going back and taking your seat at the table.

    Trump and Pompeo chose to leave Afghanistan out and broker a deal with terrorists. I have no idea how Biden could have backed out and undid what had taken place after Trump’s deal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chuck Naill View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chuck Naill View Post
    How would the Trump deal have been altered? When you open the door, it’s hard to shut.
    How was Paris Climate altered? By the order of the fucking President. The previous guy had no problem slamming that door and not giving it a second thought.

    But here's a quick lesson on international negotiations 101. When you have the world's most powerful military, you can alter any deal you want. See: Machiavelli

    Who is President now? Who has been President since January?
    Not the same and sorry you can’t tell the difference.
    The Paris accord was a previously held alliance. It was simply going back and taking your seat at the table.

    Trump and Pompeo chose to leave Afghanistan out and broker a deal with terrorists. I have no idea how Biden could have backed out and undid what had taken place after Trump’s deal.
    Please explain how it's not the same, since I "can't tell the difference".

    Neither Trump nor Pompeo have been in office since January. Biden has. The band of misfits had forces ON THE GROUND in Afghanistan. Kandahar, Herat, Kabul, etc... He could have done anything he wanted - except (according to your) renege on an initial deal with terrorists... which meant he had to shut the lights off and abandon Americans. I'm not sure which is a more stupid position for you to take. It kind of reminds me of how Trump was simultaneously an evil sooper-genius and a moron (which is what you guys said about Bush, and Reagan, and... hmmm, maybe that's overused by your team.)

    --edit--

    p.s.: You do know how treaties work, right? The process for the U.S. to be bound to one, in particular. Hint: The President can't do it.
    Last edited by dneal; September 2nd, 2021 at 02:36 PM.
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