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    Default Re: Preserve, protect and defend

    Quote Originally Posted by kazoolaw View Post
    "If they’ll not help — if these governors won’t help us beat the pandemic, I’ll use my power as President to get them out of the way. " (emphasis added)
    https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-...19-pandemic-3/
    Given his attitude toward the Constitution what form will getting them out of the way take?
    You’re using a straw man approach by claiming you know his attitude toward the Constitution. What is he doing that former presidents haven’t also done?

    Consider Lincoln’s emancipation proclamation for slaves in 7 Confederate States?

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    Default Re: Preserve, protect and defend

    Pssst, Chuck…

    that’s not a straw man.
    Strong minds discuss ideas, average minds discuss events, weak minds discuss people.

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    Default Re: Preserve, protect and defend

    Sure it is my good friend….😅😂

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    Default Re: Preserve, protect and defend

    No Chuck, seriously. It's not.

    You identified the right thing, the implication of attitude; but that's an assumption (inductive logic). Prove the assumption false, and it doesn't matter what follows from it. There's maybe a hint of ad hominem sprinkled on there that can be inferred.

    Anyway, a straw man is when one characterizes another's argument, and then attacks the characterization they've constructed. Your post is closer to that than Kazoolaw's.
    Strong minds discuss ideas, average minds discuss events, weak minds discuss people.

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    "The Constitution does not say that the President shall execute the laws, but that “he shall take Care that the Laws be faithfully executed,”

    https://www.law.cornell.edu/constitu...s-law-enforcer

    This teaches me that when someone says Joe Biden is going against the Constitution, he may not necessarily be. His justice department is going against the state of Texas on their abortion ruling. In light of the above concept, he is simply making sure the laws are faithfully executed give that abortion is legal in the US.

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    Since we are discussing the Constitution...
    "Mr. Pence told him that the president was convinced that Mr. Pence could throw out the election results in order to keep himself in power.

    “Mike, you have no flexibility on this,” Mr. Quayle told Mr. Pence. “None. Zero. Forget it. Put it away.”

    “I know, that’s what I’ve been trying to tell Trump,” Mr. Pence said. “But he really thinks he can. And there are other guys in there saying I’ve got this power.”

    Mr. Pence then echoed Mr. Trump’s false claims of election fraud. “Well, there’s some stuff out in Arizona,” Mr. Pence said.

    “Mike, I live in Arizona,” Mr. Quayle said. “There’s nothing out here.”
    https://www.nytimes.com/2021/09/14/u...ook-trump.html

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    Default Re: Preserve, protect and defend

    nevermind
    Last edited by TSherbs; September 15th, 2021 at 10:03 AM.

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    Default Re: Preserve, protect and defend

    You’re not the only one unless you’re not reading my posts, my learned friend.

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    Default Re: Preserve, protect and defend

    Quote Originally Posted by Chuck Naill View Post
    You’re not the only one unless you’re not reading my posts, my learned friend.
    so noted

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    Default Re: Preserve, protect and defend

    Quote Originally Posted by Chuck Naill View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by kazoolaw View Post
    "If they’ll not help — if these governors won’t help us beat the pandemic, I’ll use my power as President to get them out of the way. " (emphasis added)
    https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-...19-pandemic-3/
    Given his attitude toward the Constitution what form will getting them out of the way take?
    You’re using a straw man approach by claiming you know his attitude toward the Constitution. What is he doing that former presidents haven’t also done?
    Not a strawman argument. Heaven knows I've built one or two in the past.

    I've given you Biden's exact words, in quotations. He said he would "get them out of the way." What constitutional method does he contemplate using? And no, I don't think Joe will go Tony Soprano on the guvs.

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    Default Re: Preserve, protect and defend

    Quote Originally Posted by kazoolaw View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Chuck Naill View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by kazoolaw View Post
    "If they’ll not help — if these governors won’t help us beat the pandemic, I’ll use my power as President to get them out of the way. " (emphasis added)
    https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-...19-pandemic-3/
    Given his attitude toward the Constitution what form will getting them out of the way take?
    You’re using a straw man approach by claiming you know his attitude toward the Constitution. What is he doing that former presidents haven’t also done?
    Not a strawman argument. Heaven knows I've built one or two in the past.

    I've given you Biden's exact words, in quotations. He said he would "get them out of the way." What constitutional method does he contemplate using? And no, I don't think Joe will go Tony Soprano on the guvs.
    He is not acting against the Constitution in both incidents you’ve posted. As President he has powers that allow him to act to preserve and protect.

    Where were you when Trumps was sending his poor mindless minions to the capital?

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    Default Re: Preserve, protect and defend

    Whataboutism?
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    Default Re: Preserve, protect and defend

    You’re no better at that definition than you were with straw man .

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