Bush, the idiot, did the invasion.
Trump, the genius, made the deal (cf. The Art of the . . )
https://www.factcheck.org/2021/08/ti...m-afghanistan/
How is it that you weasels blame Biden for a bad outcome?
Re: Kabul and Responsibility
Bush, the idiot, did the invasion.
Trump, the genius, made the deal (cf. The Art of the . . )
https://www.factcheck.org/2021/08/ti...m-afghanistan/
How is it that you weasels blame Biden for a bad outcome?
Re: Kabul and Responsibility
George Bush President from 2001 to 2009
Donald Trump, President from January 2017 to January 2021
Joe Biden, President beginning January 2021 to date of this post
First date for withdrawal: May 1, 2021
Biden moves Afghanistan deadline for withdrawal to August 31, 2021
"...ultimately his administration pushed ahead with a plan to withdraw by Aug. 31, despite obvious signs that the Taliban wasn’t complying with the agreement and had a stated goal to create an “Islamic government” in Afghanistan after the U.S. left, even if it meant it had to “continue our war to achieve our goal.”
Biden assured Americans ... that a Taliban takeover of Afghanistan was “not inevitable,” and denied that U.S. intelligence assessed that the Afghan government would likely collapse. But it did — and quickly.
Asked if he sees any parallels between the withdrawals from Vietnam Afghanistan, Biden responds, “None whatsoever. Zero. … The Taliban is not the south — the North Vietnamese army. They’re not — they’re not remotely comparable in terms of capability. There’s going to be no circumstance where you see people being lifted off the roof of a embassy in the — of the United States from Afghanistan. It is not at all comparable.”
Aug. 15 — Taliban fighters enter the Afghanistan capital Kabul; the Afghan president flees the country; U.S. evacuates diplomats from its embassy by helicopter."
(emphasis added)
Did you not read, or do you not understand, the FactCheck.Org material you linked to?
See Post 59: https://fpgeeks.com/forum/showthread...l=1#post358914
See Post 60: https://fpgeeks.com/forum/showthread...l=1#post374032
See Post 41: https://fpgeeks.com/forum/showthread...l=1#post341123
That's how.
dneal (August 31st, 2022)
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I read the linked stuff.
Why do you persist in blaming Biden for a shitfest set up by Bush and Trump?
Are you dimly aware of the Bush-created chaos in Iraq?
Or does the fact that the so-called defense industry got really rich in the process warm your tiny heart?
Last edited by Chip; August 31st, 2022 at 01:35 PM.
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Unfortunately for you I'm able to choose a topic, understand the topic, see that you are trying to distract from the topic, and then return to the topic.Originally Posted by Chip
Which is, Biden's screw-up of the withdrawal. The 2021 Commander-in-Chief decided to helicopter evacuate from Embassy, leave millions of dollars of military hardware on the ground, leave military personnel in harm's way, totally screw-up force estimates of the Taliban, abandon Americans and American supporters in Afghanistan, and then think that when he took credit for the rocket strike killing al Qaeda leader Ayman al-Zawahiri this month we wouldn't notice that the C-i-C was certain that al Qaeda wouldn't return in force to Afghanistan. ++
Did you believe Post 1: "I bear responsibility for, fundamentally, all that's happened of late."
-President Biden, August 26, 2021
Or did you think he was lying then?
++Bonus comment:
Biden said, “If you wanted or if you think you need to have weapons to take on the government, you need F-15s and maybe some nuclear weapons. How many F-15's and nukes did the Afghans have to kick both Russia and the USA out?
dneal (August 31st, 2022)
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So Bush and Trump did a really great job, maybe the best job in the entire history of the world?
Oh, you forgot to mention Beau Biden's laptop.
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We've been entrenched in the Afghanistan s-tfest for a long time. Which administrations resolved it?... none? Who elected those administrations? Some of them by individuals like you, and some by individuals like me.
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Deflect, deflect, deflect, and deny.
dneal (August 31st, 2022)
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Yes, a long time.
So long that apparently some folks can't focus on a discrete event.
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There were many discrete events... that's why I referred to it as a sh-tfest as opposed to an event.Yes, a long time.
So long that apparently some folks can't focus on a discrete event.
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M: I came here for a good argument.
A: No you didn't; no, you came here for an argument.
M: An argument isn't just contradiction.
A: It can be.
M: No it can't. An argument is a connected series of statements intended to establish a proposition.
A: No it isn't.
M: Yes it is! It's not just contradiction.
A: Look, if I argue with you, I must take up a contrary position.
M: Yes, but that's not just saying 'No it isn't.'
A: Yes it is!
M: No it isn't!
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How about just the one in this topic?
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Your focus on Biden is a nasty, dishonest, hyper-partisan tactic.
Bush II got us in. Kept us in. The US military lied and cheated to keep the money flowing, and the corrupt Afghan government stole millions or billions, no doubt with kickbacks to the US folks. Bonanza for the so-called Defense Industry.
At long last, Trump spit in the faces of the generals and made a crap deal, to burnish his self-proclaimed genius.
Again, the liars in the US military couldn't admit how quickly their house of cards would collapse after Trump announced he was the pulling the plug.
And still, you insist on blaming Biden?
TSherbs (September 1st, 2022)
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Well, after a year now, has any of this hyperbole happened (besides, perhaps, some staff firings)?
"The 25th amendment is plausible"?? What does that sentence even mean? "Plausible" is an empty term here. Of course, the 25th didn't happen, nor will it happen over this. What an absurd idea that was.
By the way, the belief that "humans demand vengeance" is a reason for stricter gun control measures. This motivation is exactly how and why many murders occur, especially among men.
Lloyd (September 1st, 2022)
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Chip, see Post 1.
Read it out loud. Slowly. Roll the words around in your mouth.
Biden was C-I-C. Absorb that fact. It is a fact. Can see you don't like that fact, calling that fact "nasty." Yet the fact remains. Can see you think even stating that fact is partisan.
Your link was honest enough to include Biden mistakes. Did you read it? Do you understand it?
If you want to discuss the Bush and Trump roles in Afghanistan start a Topic. This one is not about that.
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Your second paragraph in your initial post implies that we're to discuss all those who are to blame not solely Biden.
Typos courtesy of Samsung Auto-Incorrect™
M: I came here for a good argument.
A: No you didn't; no, you came here for an argument.
M: An argument isn't just contradiction.
A: It can be.
M: No it can't. An argument is a connected series of statements intended to establish a proposition.
A: No it isn't.
M: Yes it is! It's not just contradiction.
A: Look, if I argue with you, I must take up a contrary position.
M: Yes, but that's not just saying 'No it isn't.'
A: Yes it is!
M: No it isn't!
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Start a topic?
You think you get to say what this is about, and confine it to a Biden Attack thread?
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Fair point: what decisions that Bush and Trump made in 2021 with regard to Kabul are you referring to?Your second paragraph in your initial post implies that we're to discuss all those who are to blame not solely Biden.
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https://www.verywellhealth.com/how-to-treat-hyperventilation-syndrome-1298890
Be well.
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I do believe there is an attempt to somehow say that Biden is just as bad as Trump. I do understand. Many here sold their moral selves to Trump, overlooking acts and words that would have made their grandparents blush, all for the sake of this or that grievance.
Well, the chickens have come home to roost and no Trumpian here can claim ignorance.
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Get well.
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OK:Get well.
Get well, Chip.
Feel better now?
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