Page 1 of 3 123 LastLast
Results 1 to 20 of 57

Thread: Political Tribalism

  1. #1
    Senior Member dneal's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2014
    Posts
    1,524
    Thanks
    702
    Thanked 767 Times in 399 Posts
    Rep Power
    9

    Default Political Tribalism

    Some years ago a conservative leaning person wrote an essay on Tribes. It was in response to Hurricane Katrina, and was just really venting his frustration at the disfunctionality and blaming. Still, there are many poignant themes he gets right. The "tribes" metaphor is apt to a large extent.

    This morning I watched this 8-ish minute clip. They're describing current society in terms of tribes, in the context of a study about current political tribalism (primarily in the U.S.). I found it worthwhile.



    I was curious about the study they mentioned briefly, and found the .pdf here. I've skimmed it (it's 150 pages, but not terribly long and has a lot of charts). There's plenty to debate, and sociological research based on polling is inherently problematic simply because it attempts to generalize unique individuals into categories. It becomes a bit like reading horoscopes instead of using your birthday to figure out what your astrological sign is... Depending on the topic, I'm anywhere between traditional liberal and traditional conservative. I'm patriotic, but not religious, for example; so what group am I in? I suspect others will have similar problems, but it's still interesting enough that I'll give it a more thorough look.

    I would be interested to read your thoughts, and there are lots of sub-topics because it is an incredibly complex issue. I would recommend starting with the video, and moving on to the written pieces only if you're really interested.
    Strong minds discuss ideas, average minds discuss events, weak minds discuss people.

  2. #2
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Sep 2019
    Location
    Alabama
    Posts
    1,345
    Thanks
    305
    Thanked 527 Times in 353 Posts
    Rep Power
    4

    Default Re: Political Tribalism

    I really don’t think you have a clue

  3. The Following User Says Thank You to Chuck Naill For This Useful Post:

    Brilliant Bill (October 11th, 2021)

  4. #3
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Sep 2019
    Location
    Alabama
    Posts
    1,345
    Thanks
    305
    Thanked 527 Times in 353 Posts
    Rep Power
    4

    Default Re: Political Tribalism

    I really don’t think you have a clue. After all, you chose not to vote.

  5. #4
    Senior Member dneal's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2014
    Posts
    1,524
    Thanks
    702
    Thanked 767 Times in 399 Posts
    Rep Power
    9

    Default Re: Political Tribalism

    Chuck - I posted two threads, one immediately following the other.

    One was this thread. Like my responses to EoC (who said he wanted thoughtful discussion in the Malone discussion), there's plenty of opportunity for opposing views. What did I get? A link and crickets (until your responses).

    The other was the "Trump was right" thread. Nothing but an assertion, but "inflammatory" simply because it had the orange one's name in it. A troll thread, or troll bait?

    Who responded to which thread, when presented the option? Manner of response?

    It's telling.
    Strong minds discuss ideas, average minds discuss events, weak minds discuss people.

  6. #5
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Sep 2019
    Location
    Alabama
    Posts
    1,345
    Thanks
    305
    Thanked 527 Times in 353 Posts
    Rep Power
    4

    Default Re: Political Tribalism

    Was your intent to troll ?

    You didn’t vote and didn’t vote for Trump. Why even start a thread unless you’re fishing. We all know your game. 😂😂

  7. #6
    Senior Member dneal's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2014
    Posts
    1,524
    Thanks
    702
    Thanked 767 Times in 399 Posts
    Rep Power
    9

    Default Re: Political Tribalism

    Sorry Chuck. You’ve already outed yourself.
    Strong minds discuss ideas, average minds discuss events, weak minds discuss people.

  8. #7
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Sep 2019
    Location
    Alabama
    Posts
    1,345
    Thanks
    305
    Thanked 527 Times in 353 Posts
    Rep Power
    4

    Default Re: Political Tribalism

    Man, what a waste of time. 😢

  9. #8
    Senior Member dneal's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2014
    Posts
    1,524
    Thanks
    702
    Thanked 767 Times in 399 Posts
    Rep Power
    9

    Default Re: Political Tribalism

    For EoC, TSherbs and Chuck.

    Topic is still here. Political Tribalism. 8 minutes of your time, playing in the background while you make coffee or something anyway.

    There's a document linked, for those that like that sort of thing. I've certainly posted enough text to offer an initial opinion easily open to critique.

    Do you guys want conversation or not?
    Strong minds discuss ideas, average minds discuss events, weak minds discuss people.

  10. #9
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Apr 2013
    Posts
    1,912
    Thanks
    1,086
    Thanked 1,153 Times in 667 Posts
    Rep Power
    10

    Default Re: Political Tribalism

    Just to be clear: not with you, no.

    Sent from my moto g power using Tapatalk

  11. The Following User Says Thank You to TSherbs For This Useful Post:

    Brilliant Bill (October 11th, 2021)

  12. #10
    Senior Member dneal's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2014
    Posts
    1,524
    Thanks
    702
    Thanked 767 Times in 399 Posts
    Rep Power
    9

    Default Re: Political Tribalism

    No need to clarify, it has been apparent for some time now.
    Strong minds discuss ideas, average minds discuss events, weak minds discuss people.

  13. #11
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Sep 2019
    Location
    Alabama
    Posts
    1,345
    Thanks
    305
    Thanked 527 Times in 353 Posts
    Rep Power
    4

    Default Re: Political Tribalism

    So, nonsense aside, I came across this and thought I would share. Perhaps we all need a lesson in the art of disagreement. I feel, unlike @dneal, there is no win attempt or requirement. When you consider Lewis was a WW1 survivor, it may have allowed him to savior rather than battle his opponents of debate.
    https://isi.org/intercollegiate-revi...-disagreement/

  14. #12
    Senior Member dneal's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2014
    Posts
    1,524
    Thanks
    702
    Thanked 767 Times in 399 Posts
    Rep Power
    9

    Default Re: Political Tribalism

    Chuck, I don't know how many times I've told you I'm not interested in "winning". That would be easy. I'd just post some nonsense, a link, and harrumph to myself and declare victory. There are no refs or scoreboards here. No one can win unless they assume they have or another admits defeat. It's an Internet forum. There is no prize for "winning".

    I've been around here a bit longer than you, but we've actually had very good discussions here - until someone with low emotional stability gets triggered. The Post Your Contentious Virus Posts Here thread did relatively fine. It's curious who the first troll was to show up though (hint: see post #4).

    Even better was RNHC's Definition of Christian thread. It wasn't until the denominational zealots showed up that it went wrong, but not badly.

    Now look at Corniche's I Can't Fathom This Election thread. Didn't make it past the first post. No one was able to comment on Trump's policies - just the routine nonsensical smears. I was genuinely interested. I offered examples, even for our international friends. NATO spending, for example. And the mob came rushing out of their echo-chamber...

    Aside from your attempt to insult and disrupt (post #2), I assume you still haven't watched or listened. It already addresses the issue of why we can't have discussion. When you are willing to spend some time (8 minutes and 48 seconds), I'll read your C.S. Lewis link.
    Last edited by dneal; October 6th, 2021 at 01:35 PM. Reason: apparently Apple thinks it can make links correctly. It can't...
    Strong minds discuss ideas, average minds discuss events, weak minds discuss people.

  15. #13
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Sep 2019
    Location
    Alabama
    Posts
    1,345
    Thanks
    305
    Thanked 527 Times in 353 Posts
    Rep Power
    4

    Default Re: Political Tribalism

    I don’t watch or listen to videos.

    Your vernacular says you think it’s a game and winning is important.

    In the “definition of a Christian” you got yourself into a pissing contest with EOC.

    In the 2020 these you tried to conflate influenza with Covid-19.

    The November 2020 thread is were you stated popular vote was not important and previous, acted like you knew more than most Americans.

    So, perhaps it’s soothing to post.

    My only reason for posting it to provide an alternative view.

  16. #14
    Senior Member dneal's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2014
    Posts
    1,524
    Thanks
    702
    Thanked 767 Times in 399 Posts
    Rep Power
    9

    Default Re: Political Tribalism

    Ok, i dont read links then. Thanks for playing.
    Strong minds discuss ideas, average minds discuss events, weak minds discuss people.

  17. #15
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Sep 2019
    Location
    Alabama
    Posts
    1,345
    Thanks
    305
    Thanked 527 Times in 353 Posts
    Rep Power
    4

    Default Re: Political Tribalism

    That’s fine with me, but did you just make that decision?

    Videos require more time.

    Instead of just posting a video with arrogant expectations, give us the “cliff notes” version. Are you familiar with “cliff notes”?

  18. #16
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Apr 2013
    Posts
    1,912
    Thanks
    1,086
    Thanked 1,153 Times in 667 Posts
    Rep Power
    10

    Default Re: Political Tribalism

    Quote Originally Posted by Chuck Naill View Post
    So, nonsense aside, I came across this and thought I would share. Perhaps we all need a lesson in the art of disagreement. I feel, unlike @dneal, there is no win attempt or requirement. When you consider Lewis was a WW1 survivor, it may have allowed him to savior rather than battle his opponents of debate.
    https://isi.org/intercollegiate-revi...-disagreement/
    Thanks for this. In the spirit of the article, and in relevant connection to its thesis, I will say, "Sir, I disagree with it."

    But since I disagree with the premise of the primacy of disputation, I will not dispute it.

  19. #17
    Senior Member dneal's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2014
    Posts
    1,524
    Thanks
    702
    Thanked 767 Times in 399 Posts
    Rep Power
    9

    Default Re: Political Tribalism

    Quote Originally Posted by Chuck Naill View Post
    That’s fine with me, but did you just make that decision?

    Videos require more time.

    Instead of just posting a video with arrogant expectations, give us the “cliff notes” version. Are you familiar with “cliff notes”?
    I know what they are, but I read the entire book instead. Since you're familiar, I assume you use them regularly? It would explain much.

    Anyway, if you look around that picture of the video, you'll see more of these strange characters before and after. Maybe there's something in there.

    I am a little incredulous that you don't have 9 minutes to spare listening. How in the world are you doing so much reading? Hell, you probably spent more time looking through the other threads, just to come up with a nonsense description/characterization that focused on me. You forgot to insert some variation of "TRUMPIST!!!", by the way.

    You don't have to watch - it's just two Ph.D.'s in biology describing their environment now that everybody is an expert on "science", and how conversation has become impossible because most everyone is divided into tribes. You like listening to intelligent people converse, I seem to remember you saying. There are two demonstrably intelligent people having a conversation. Under 10 minutes, and you wasted much more time than that making excuses about why you won't watch/listen. Color me surprised.
    Last edited by dneal; October 6th, 2021 at 05:44 PM.
    Strong minds discuss ideas, average minds discuss events, weak minds discuss people.

  20. #18
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Sep 2019
    Location
    Alabama
    Posts
    1,345
    Thanks
    305
    Thanked 527 Times in 353 Posts
    Rep Power
    4

    Default Re: Political Tribalism

    Why get pissed because I don’t bend to your will? That’s rather immature or self centered.

    I read to learn. I don’t waste time with your video posts because I don’t respect your ability to post something objective.

  21. #19
    Senior Member dneal's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2014
    Posts
    1,524
    Thanks
    702
    Thanked 767 Times in 399 Posts
    Rep Power
    9

    Default Re: Political Tribalism

    Chuck, I don’t care enough about any of this to ”get pissed”, bend you to my will, or whatever delusion you come up with next.

    So keep wasting time telling me how you’re not going to waste time.
    Strong minds discuss ideas, average minds discuss events, weak minds discuss people.

  22. #20
    Senior Member ethernautrix's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2012
    Location
    Land of Po
    Posts
    1,020
    Thanks
    1,589
    Thanked 1,226 Times in 525 Posts
    Rep Power
    11

    Default Re: Political Tribalism

    My friend Greg Nagan wrote a blog post on this subject yesterday. Actually, it's about "(a) project at the University of Virginia’s Center for Politics has been looking into the polarization of American culture and politics in the hopes of finding an antidote" and cites the results of a poll (which findings might or might not be properly substantiated but are interesting nevertheless -- and alarming if true).

    https://www.amerikansketilstande.dk/...ican-bogeymen/

    Greg concludes, for those not interested in following links, that the political divide won't be mended by the political machinery (including media) but by individuals who overcome the relentless messaging from the "machine." (That's totally my quick and careless paraphrasing, btw. Łapa wants to go out. Biedna Łapa!)
    Last edited by ethernautrix; October 7th, 2021 at 04:18 AM.
    _____________
    To Miasto

Bookmarks

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •