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    Quote Originally Posted by kazoolaw View Post
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    Whom does one trust?
    This is really the heart of the matter
    Those who have proven themselves trustworthy. This is not a matter of words, it is evidenced by a demonstrated life.

    I value words, too.

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    I value words also. A child that grows up in a family that provides essentials, but does not encourage and let them know they are loved suffers a life time of distress and insecurity. And, a family that deminishes the children with words destroys an oppotunity.

    I am a collector of quotes which are words of course.

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    Do you think a person proves trustworthiness soley by speaking?

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    Not "soley" and neither do actions build trust. It takes both. Often actions are not required and often words are all that is required. After all, the tongue reveals the heart. People can do nice things for the wrong reasons.

    "A gentle answer turns away wrath, but hard words stir up anger".
    "Where words increase, transgression is unavoidable"
    "Gentle words bring health and life, a deceitful tongue crushes the spirit.

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    "Actions speak louder than words"
    "A truth does not mind being questioned. A lie does not like being challenged."

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    "Action speaks louder than words but not nearly as often.”

    ― Mark Twain

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    Or p'raps:

    Appearance blinds, whereas words reveal.

    ― Oscar Wilde

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chuck Naill View Post
    "Action speaks louder than words but not nearly as often.”

    ― Mark Twain
    lol, he’s not criticizing action. He’s saying people are lazy and “talk is cheap”.
    "A truth does not mind being questioned. A lie does not like being challenged."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chip View Post
    Or p'raps:

    Appearance blinds, whereas words reveal.

    ― Oscar Wilde
    Appearance perhaps, performance probably not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chuck Naill View Post
    Not "soley" and neither do actions build trust. It takes both. Often actions are not required and often words are all that is required. After all, the tongue reveals the heart. People can do nice things for the wrong reasons.

    "A gentle answer turns away wrath, but hard words stir up anger".
    "Where words increase, transgression is unavoidable"
    "Gentle words bring health and life, a deceitful tongue crushes the spirit.
    Chuck, pop quiz for you 'cause I know you'll get it:
    "_ _ _ _ h without _ _ _ _ s is dead."


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    Quote Originally Posted by kazoolaw View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Chuck Naill View Post
    Not "soley" and neither do actions build trust. It takes both. Often actions are not required and often words are all that is required. After all, the tongue reveals the heart. People can do nice things for the wrong reasons.

    "A gentle answer turns away wrath, but hard words stir up anger".
    "Where words increase, transgression is unavoidable"
    "Gentle words bring health and life, a deceitful tongue crushes the spirit.
    Chuck, pop quiz for you 'cause I know you'll get it:
    "_ _ _ _ h without _ _ _ _ s is dead."

    Faith /Works

    However, why would you think this renders words subordinate?

    With your heart you believe...with your mouth you confess and are saved (apart from works) because, by the works of the law no flesh is justified.

    My experience has observed well intensioned people doing much harm with their actions. Doing the right thing the wrong way as a pastor friend once said. There is an arrogance of people who think their good deeds are more important than the words that reveal who they are. Words is what disqualified Trump regardless of his actions, because his actions was to look good and get re-elected.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kazoolaw View Post
    Appearance perhaps, performance probably not.
    Depending on who's judging performance, and by what set of values.

    Bernie Madoff, for instance, performed very well as a scam artist, stealing from his investors, until it all came crashing down.

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    Appearance perhaps, performance probably not.
    Depending on who's judging performance, and by what set of values.

    Bernie Madoff, for instance, performed very well as a scam artist, stealing from his investors, until it all came crashing down.
    Odd: never thought of cheating and stealing as performing well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chuck Naill View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chuck Naill View Post
    Not "soley" and neither do actions build trust. It takes both. Often actions are not required and often words are all that is required. After all, the tongue reveals the heart. People can do nice things for the wrong reasons.

    "A gentle answer turns away wrath, but hard words stir up anger".
    "Where words increase, transgression is unavoidable"
    "Gentle words bring health and life, a deceitful tongue crushes the spirit.
    Chuck, pop quiz for you 'cause I know you'll get it:
    "_ _ _ _ h without _ _ _ _ s is dead."

    Faith /Works

    However, why would you think this renders words subordinate?

    With your heart you believe...with your mouth you confess and are saved (apart from works) because, by the works of the law no flesh is justified.

    My experience has observed well intensioned people doing much harm with their actions. Doing the right thing the wrong way as a pastor friend once said. There is an arrogance of people who think their good deeds are more important than the words that reveal who they are. Words is what disqualified Trump regardless of his actions, because his actions was to look good and get re-elected.
    Chuck-
    Your first two words in post 104 show we agree.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kazoolaw View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Chuck Naill View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by kazoolaw View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Chuck Naill View Post
    Not "soley" and neither do actions build trust. It takes both. Often actions are not required and often words are all that is required. After all, the tongue reveals the heart. People can do nice things for the wrong reasons.

    "A gentle answer turns away wrath, but hard words stir up anger".
    "Where words increase, transgression is unavoidable"
    "Gentle words bring health and life, a deceitful tongue crushes the spirit.
    Chuck, pop quiz for you 'cause I know you'll get it:
    "_ _ _ _ h without _ _ _ _ s is dead."

    Faith /Works

    However, why would you think this renders words subordinate?

    With your heart you believe...with your mouth you confess and are saved (apart from works) because, by the works of the law no flesh is justified.

    My experience has observed well intensioned people doing much harm with their actions. Doing the right thing the wrong way as a pastor friend once said. There is an arrogance of people who think their good deeds are more important than the words that reveal who they are. Words is what disqualified Trump regardless of his actions, because his actions was to look good and get re-elected.
    Chuck-
    Your first two words in post 104 show we agree.
    Great that you found something with which to agree.

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    Odd: never thought of cheating and stealing as performing well.
    How would you rate the performance of Senator McConnell? Please state your primary metrics.

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    Not sure why I'd want to do that.
    But, since you asked...
    "Primary metrics" isn't a term that I use, so I won't guess what you mean.
    I would describe Mitch as the quintessential politician, masterful at using his knowledge of the game in the service of his political goals.

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    Lol!

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    Quote Originally Posted by kazoolaw View Post
    Not sure why I'd want to do that.
    But, since you asked...
    "Primary metrics" isn't a term that I use, so I won't guess what you mean.
    I would describe Mitch as the quintessential politician, masterful at using his knowledge of the game in the service of his political goals.
    As was the Devil. Fortunately, Mitchell's reign in the hell of the Senate chamber will have to one day end, due to his human mortality (at the latest).

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    Quote Originally Posted by TSherbs View Post
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    I would describe Mitch as the quintessential politician, masterful at using his knowledge of the game in the service of his political goals.
    As was the Devil.
    Just need one Daniel Webster.

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