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    Default Re: The Jonestowning of America

    EoC-leader of the devolution.
    Still has never started a thread in this forum.
    Devolves this thread into the meta-discussion he claims to decry.
    Enters a thread trying to set the rules for discussion based upon his arcane rules that matter only to him.
    Won't take responsibility for his own actions, claiming it's dneal's fault as the catalyst
    Then thinks we'll be distracted and not notice he has nothing of value to contribute to the actual topic.
    Just let the man go.

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    Interesting as it mentions inducing guilt to raise money from the elite, continuing the theme of Radical Chic & Mau Mauing the Flak Catchers all the way back to the '70's.
    Coulda used a final edit though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kazoolaw View Post
    Interesting as it mentions inducing guilt to raise money from the elite, continuing the theme of Radical Chic & Mau Mauing the Flak Catchers all the way back to the '70's.
    Coulda used a final edit though.
    Agree on the final edit. On first read, the thing that struck me was how little I knew about Jones. I had seen the "made for TV" documentary, and just wrote him off as any other cult leader. I didn't know the majority of his congregation was black. The political connections were definitely new information, and the author does note that this was supressed by the media (I don't assign that to party in this case, other than circumstance. They all do it).

    The parallels with modern politics is striking. Sure there are the race-baiters who make a living off of it. Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton, etc... I'm happy to throw race out of the equation and just consider them amongst the other sheisters in the world, whether it's a Bernie Madoff or (pick your favorite televangelist). They do a disservice to the noble idealists. The MLK's and Malcolm X. In more global terms the Gandhi, Massood's, Old-school Luther and his theses, etc...

    Politicians pander to their constituents. Democrats have courted black votes since LBJ got them to vote for the next two centuries.

    The author may have a point, however unpleasant for a Democrat to acknowledge (because we want truth, right?). Pick the major "city in decline". Those cities are the direct result of decades of Democrat "rule". The people who couldn't afford to leave were minorities. Ironically, most of them now run the cities (and honestly have for some time). Baltimore? DC? That's just two from one spot on the East coast. I haven't even spread out the first arbitrary radius.

    Perhaps the African American should beware the white liberal's offer to "help". Malcolm X certainly warned them.
    "A truth does not mind being questioned. A lie does not like being challenged."

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    Quote Originally Posted by dneal View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by kazoolaw View Post
    Interesting as it mentions inducing guilt to raise money from the elite, continuing the theme of Radical Chic & Mau Mauing the Flak Catchers all the way back to the '70's.
    Coulda used a final edit though.
    Agree on the final edit. On first read, the thing that struck me was how little I knew about Jones. I had seen the "made for TV" documentary, and just wrote him off as any other cult leader. I didn't know the majority of his congregation was black. The political connections were definitely new information, and the author does note that this was supressed by the media (I don't assign that to party in this case, other than circumstance. They all do it).

    The parallels with modern politics is striking. Sure there are the race-baiters who make a living off of it. Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton, etc... I'm happy to throw race out of the equation and just consider them amongst the other sheisters in the world, whether it's a Bernie Madoff or (pick your favorite televangelist). They do a disservice to the noble idealists. The MLK's and Malcolm X. In more global terms the Gandhi, Massood's, Old-school Luther and his theses, etc...

    Politicians pander to their constituents. Democrats have courted black votes since LBJ got them to vote for the next two centuries.

    The author may have a point, however unpleasant for a Democrat to acknowledge (because we want truth, right?). Pick the major "city in decline". Those cities are the direct result of decades of Democrat "rule". The people who couldn't afford to leave were minorities. Ironically, most of them now run the cities (and honestly have for some time). Baltimore? DC? That's just two from one spot on the East coast. I haven't even spread out the first arbitrary radius.

    Perhaps the African American should beware the white liberal's offer to "help". Malcolm X certainly warned them.

    I would have enjoyed reading this with the OP... why not lead with this?

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    I would have enjoyed reading this with the OP... why not lead with this?
    Sometimes I don't want to taint the pool. I want to see what people think, independent of my opinions. This format is "normal" to me. Another (cigar) board I've been on for nearly two decades (17-18 years?) does this. Hell, we just post the link, read it (or not); and comment what we thought (or not, if it wasn't our thing). Then we comment on the comments. It's not difficult. It's almost like sitting around, smoking cigars, and having a conversation. Crazy, I know?!?
    "A truth does not mind being questioned. A lie does not like being challenged."

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    Quote Originally Posted by dneal View Post
    ...Perhaps the African American should beware the white liberal's offer to "help". Malcolm X certainly warned them.
    MLK said the same thing and chided liberal whites. African-Americans already know, basically, that they can't trust whites and white politicians and white power structures. When they vote, it is often for what they perceive as the lesser of evils (not unlike what many of us do, but for different reasons).

    I believe that white power structures are designed to isolate and deplete the resources and collective power of urban centers in an effort to divide and conquer (marginalize). This has become the political life-blood of the defense of the Electoral College, for example.

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    Hey. Read the article.

    Interesting details on the Jim Jones cult intertwined with socialism/race (same old lies remolded to the current situation)

    Best part was jones quote about the snake in the garden being right….

    All world views can be divided into God said or did God really say…

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    Let me make one thing clear up front - if anything, I'm nationally apolitical. I've spent a career valuing that. I just observe the machinations.

    Do African-Americans really know that (dangers of white liberals...)? Can we even lump them in a category and assign a belief? but that's a different argument also about racism...

    If you know you are being used, then why subject yourself to it? Simply happy with the exchange? Low expectations? Ignorance (therefore discrediting the hypothesis)? Of course there is no one answer, but a multitude that varies by individual. Some spot the canard and become conservative. Mean tweets and orange-ness aside, "he who shall not be named" did score record black employment (and opportunity).

    Maybe the "Jonses" are getting their comeuppance...
    "A truth does not mind being questioned. A lie does not like being challenged."

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    Dneal we should get together sometime and smoke some cigars

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    Dneal we should get together sometime and smoke some cigars
    Good idea. I'd say if we could all meet the conversations would dramatically change and be of a higher quality.

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    Would love to meet up and smoke with you too Chuck

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chuck Naill View Post
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    Dneal we should get together sometime and smoke some cigars
    Good idea. I'd say if we could all meet the conversations would dramatically change and be of a higher quality.
    There's no reason we can't behave in a similar manner virtually, while acknowledging the limitations of text-based discussion.
    "A truth does not mind being questioned. A lie does not like being challenged."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bold2013 View Post
    Would love to meet up and smoke with you too Chuck
    May I bring a pipe and an IPA? Thanks and same here.

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    Sure thing. I haven’t found the patience or wisdom to smoke a pipe well…

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    When Trump advised his devotees to ingest bleach, quite a few actually did. Same with that horse wormer crap.

    He has a lot in common with Jim Jones.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chip View Post
    When Trump advised his devotees to ingest bleach, quite a few actually did. Same with that horse wormer crap.

    He has a lot in common with Jim Jones.
    Trump killed a lot of black people? No wonder the Dems hate him. He's stealing their gig.

    Woot!!, nonsense is fun!
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    Quote Originally Posted by dneal View Post
    Woot!!, nonsense is fun!
    Is that why you persist?

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    Persist in what, mocking you and other internet hyenas by demonstrating your behavior and moronic rhetoric for you?

    Is post #35 thoughtful opinion, or superficial partisan bullshit?

    I think guys like you get run off of other boards. Lucky you! You found one that's unmoderated. I can handle whatever you think you can dish out. Like most, you can't take it in return.
    "A truth does not mind being questioned. A lie does not like being challenged."

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    You guys not playing well in the sand box it appears….lol!

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    Happy Thanksgiving All!!

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