Can We have a Civil Discussion about Abortion?

[dneal]

Chuck, my post is rooted in your post and the inherent contradiction. I read the Dobbs decision when it was leaked.

You should focus on your own education. Spelling, grammar and construction of a proper sentence would be places I'd recommend starting. The odd error is one thing, and we all do it, but regularly posting indecipherable nonsense is cause for concern.

[Chuck Naill]

As you said, when you’ve exhausted having something of substance to add, you resort to personal attacks.

Looks like you don’t know enough to comment. I’ll bow out until you show some understanding. Change your underwear while your at it.

[TSherbs]

Yup. Her lame "they deceived me" just doesn't cut it with many Maine voters, particularly the women. We all kept warning her and writing her and telling her that this is what would happen. She told us that she had been "assured" that they would "honor precedent." Well, selectively, they have. Just as we warned her. Collins is no dummy. She took a risk for her party, and now she is getting burned for it in predictable ways.

I'm thinking that she will retire rather than have to defend this debacle.

https://apnews.com/article/abortion-...34bf04a6f6b30e

[Chuck Naill]

No one should be surprised by kavenaugh. I remember him doing the Thomas Boogie to get elected. That takes a no courageous response. I’m surprised she was duped.

[Lloyd]

I'm not aware of the Cleveland Clinic's official position on abortion. I picked that source as facially neutral to demonstrate that a reknowned medical facility continues the use of "fetus" up until birth. The link was chosen because it's not just semantics that, "medically" speaking, a fetus is a baby.

This is an issue in discussions like here. In discussions, I mean fetus when a medically delivered "thing" has a very low probability of surviving for a few years without being full time on equipment at a hospital and showing some cognition.

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I asked the local NICU what allows premature children to survive. They explained is was the availability of synthetic surfactant. This substance is forced down the lungs of premature babies so their alveoli can expand. Bold can explain much better if he wants. I learned this was not available until the early to mid 1990's.

However, I think what you are talking about is viability. When I was a volunteer, there were children in the NICU born as early as 23 weeks. These had been there for over 12 months. However, a two month old child is not viable on their own. In fact a five year old will most likely not survive unless cared for.

After thinking about this topic more, I realize what the court did was to pass along abortion rights to be administered by the states. This allows the American public, rather than judges, to decide female rights, which I believe is better. It will no doubt cause an uproar in some states and get Democrats or progressives elected.

Given the high level of gerrymandering in some states, I'd disagree.

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[Chuck Naill]

A very valid point.

[Chuck Naill]

That said, Mo Brooks is out here.

[Lloyd]

If the Federal government is too wide, and state government is better, why not go even more regional - townships? How about even more regional, neighborhoods? How about even more regional, the female carrying the fetus?

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[Chuck Naill]

From Warren and Smith:
“Simply put: We must restore our democracy so that a radical minority can no longer drown out the will of the people. This will be a long, hard fight, and the path to victory is not yet certain. But it’s a righteous fight that we must win — no matter how long it takes. The two of us lived in an America without Roe, and we are not going back. Not now. Not ever.”

[dneal]

As you said, when you’ve exhausted having something of substance to add, you resort to personal attacks.

Looks like you don’t know enough to comment. I’ll bow out until you show some understanding. Change your underwear while your at it.

No Chuck. You simply start running in your well-worn circles. Irrelevant comments on voting, ICU beds, the many things you think I think, etc...

It's boring, but you're not going to stop, so I prod you as you pass by because it makes me laugh.

[Chuck Naill]

I always laugh m at your anti pandemic nonsense as well. It’s more for the more highly educated members who are new as an alert to know you are just trolling.

[TSherbs]

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[Chuck Naill]

Chill out Ted.

[Chuck Naill]

Plus, it’s Saturday afternoon.

[Lloyd]

It looks like I was correct in post #146. C'mon... let's prove me wrong.

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[Chuck Naill]

Lloyd, you’re disqualified as a hall monitor. Next??

[Lloyd]

Lloyd, you’re disqualified as a hall monitor. Next??

Aw, fuck...

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[Empty_of_Clouds]

The arguments around abortion are rooted in the right/wrongs associated with the assumption that there is a sanctity of life, not on the pros and cons. The sanctity of life is not a universally held concept, but perhaps the key point here is that it is just a concept.

[Lloyd]

The arguments around abortion are rooted in the right/wrongs associated with the assumption that there is a sanctity of life, not on the pros and cons. The sanctity of life is not a universally held concept, but perhaps the key point here is that it is just a concept.

I don't think so. I think it's, as mentioned earlier, at what point the clump of living cells become a human. Is it at fertilization, one it looks like a human, once it can survive if removed via c-section, at birth, when it's 18 years old😉, etc.?
By the way, this isn't the court's debate so much as the people outside the courts arguments.
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[Empty_of_Clouds]

That's a secondary consideration that requires the sanctity of life for validity.