Can We have a Civil Discussion about Abortion?

[dneal]

The rich, aristocratic framers of the US Constitution were deathly afraid of pure democracy, which they thought of as mob rule. So they came up with countermeasures, such as having two senators for each state (regardless of population). Further anti-democratic measures were the electoral college and the Senate filibuster (adopted to keep power in the hands of the racist, post-Confederate South).

These countermeasures are largely responsible for the disproportionate influence of rural right-wing voters on national issues, where 30% or so effectively cancels the will of the majority.

Bluntly put, the pigs are a minority, but they rule the farm.

To be clear then, if the voters in your state approve banning abortion you're good with the will of the people.

To be even more clear, Maine forbids abortion after viability except in certain circumstances. Damned aristocrats, making abortions a crime in Maine.

§1598. Abortions
1. Policy. It is the public policy of the State that the State not restrict a woman's exercise of her private decision to terminate a pregnancy before viability except as provided in section 1597‑A. After viability an abortion may be performed only when it is necessary to preserve the life or health of the mother. It is also the public policy of the State that all abortions may be performed only by a health care professional, as defined in section 1596, subsection 1, paragraph C.
[PL 2019, c. 262, §4 (AMD).]
2. Definitions. As used in this section, unless the context otherwise indicates, the following terms shall have the following meanings.
A. "Abortion" means the intentional interruption of a pregnancy by the application of external agents, whether chemical or physical or by the ingestion of chemical agents with an intention other than to produce a live birth or to remove a dead fetus. [PL 1979, c. 405, §2 (NEW).]
B. "Viability" means the state of fetal development when the life of the fetus may be continued indefinitely outside the womb by natural or artificial life-supportive systems. [PL 1979, c. 405, §2 (NEW).]
[PL 1979, c. 405, §2 (NEW).]
3. Persons who may perform abortions; penalties.
A. Only a person licensed under Title 32, chapter 36 or 48 to practice in the State as an osteopathic or medical physician or physician assistant or a person licensed under Title 32, chapter 31 to practice in the State as an advanced practice registered nurse may perform an abortion on another person. [PL 2019, c. 262, §5 (AMD).]
B. Any person not so licensed who knowingly performs an abortion on another person or any person who knowingly assists a nonlicensed person to perform an abortion on another person is guilty of a Class C crime. [PL 1979, c. 405, §2 (NEW).]

[Lloyd]

I love a thread about abortion rights (and the loss of them) written entirely by men. The addition of Bold's male-voiced extreme oversimplification of the implications of the end of Roe really tops it off nicely. 🙄

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[TSherbs]

I love a thread about abortion rights (and the loss of them) written entirely by men. The addition of Bold's male-voiced extreme oversimplification of the implications of the end of Roe really tops it off nicely. 🙄

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We cause the problems, and then pretend to know the answers.

Perfect hegemony.

[Chuck Naill]

As a father and grandfather, there is no way for me to oversimplify. I’ve got history and a story. Speak for yourself.

[Chuck Naill]

I love a thread about abortion rights (and the loss of them) written entirely by men. The addition of Bold's male-voiced extreme oversimplification of the implications of the end of Roe really tops it off nicely. 🙄

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We cause the problems, and then pretend to know the answers.

Perfect hegemony.

Ironically, parents of boys are rarely involved.

[kazoolaw]

TFurther anti-democratic measures were the electoral college and the Senate filibuster (adopted to keep power in the hands of the racist, post-Confederate South).

Under original Senate rules, cutting off debate required a motion that passed with a simple majority. But in 1806, after Vice President Aaron Burr argued that the rule was redundant, the Senate stopped using the motion. [emphasis added]
https://www.brennancenter.org/our-wo...ster-explained

The filibuster isn’t in the Constitution and it wasn’t part of the Founding Fathers’ vision for the Senate. It was created inadvertently after Vice President Aaron Burr complained in 1805 that the chamber’s rule book was redundant and overly complicated, according to historians.
In a rules rewrite that followed, senators eliminated a provision that allowed for debate to be cut off. The filibuster was developed as a blocking tactic several decades later.
http://https://www.clickorlando.com/...-abortion-law/

1805/6 = post-Confederate?

[Lloyd]

I love a thread about abortion rights (and the loss of them) written entirely by men. The addition of Bold's male-voiced extreme oversimplification of the implications of the end of Roe really tops it off nicely. 🙄

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We cause the problems, and then pretend to know the answers.

Perfect hegemony.

We don't just pretend to know the answers, we mandate our solutions. Wealthy men telling poor women what they must do.

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[kazoolaw]

1847-Michigan is the first state to ban capital punishment. [Some claim the first government in the English speaking world.]
1931-Michigan bans abortion.

[Chuck Naill]

Just in, SCOTus bans male penis tourniquets.

[Lloyd]

1847-Michigan is the first state to ban capital punishment. [Some claim the first government in the English speaking world.]
1931-Michigan bans abortion.

It helped the auto industry

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[kazoolaw]

1847-Michigan is the first state to ban capital punishment. [Some claim the first government in the English speaking world.]
1931-Michigan bans abortion.

It helped the auto industry

Yes, a key factor in expanding the market for baby seats.

[Chuck Naill]

How shallow

[dneal]

I love a thread about abortion rights (and the loss of them) written entirely by men. The addition of Bold's male-voiced extreme oversimplification of the implications of the end of Roe really tops it off nicely. 🙄

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You haven’t been keeping up with the times. Men can have babies now, and women can have penises (or is it penii?).

[Bold2013]

I love a thread about abortion rights (and the loss of them) written entirely by men. The addition of Bold's male-voiced extreme oversimplification of the implications of the end of Roe really tops it off nicely. 🙄

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I was a clump of cells once too.

[Chuck Naill]

@dneal, You are attempting to involve yourself into a topic for which you have not shown to have any experience. Please refrain or reveal!

[Bold2013]

“Man can have babies now”. Exactly (see older Arnold movie).

[dneal]

@dneal, You are attempting to involve yourself into a topic for which you have not shown to have any experience. Please refrain or reveal!

Chuck, are you hitting on me again?

[Bold2013]

I love a thread about abortion rights (and the loss of them) written entirely by men. The addition of Bold's male-voiced extreme oversimplification of the implications of the end of Roe really tops it off nicely. 🙄

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We cause the problems, and then pretend to know the answers.

Perfect hegemony.

I don’t understand a problem worse than murdering innocent babies.

[Lloyd]

Fetus ≠ baby

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[Lloyd]

I love a thread about abortion rights (and the loss of them) written entirely by men. The addition of Bold's male-voiced extreme oversimplification of the implications of the end of Roe really tops it off nicely. 🙄

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I was a clump of cells once too.

So were fish. Should they be equally protected?

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