Can We have a Civil Discussion about Abortion?

[TSherbs]

Follow the money:

The deceiving texts sent out in Kansas have been traced to ex-GOP congressman's PAC:

https://www.thedailybeast.com/myster...da-firm-report

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[TSherbs]

Has anyone in Kansas claimed voter fraud on this yet?

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[TSherbs]

On a related absurd note, Georgia will now allow for a tax deduction for any detectable heart rate in utero. So, two deductions for twins? IVF procedure frequently implants multiple eggs. If they take, will those mothers get the multiplier? Will the biological fathers be able to claim the deduction also? How will they prove their kinship while child is in utero?

The absurdity continues .

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[Chip]

On a related absurd note, Georgia will now allow for a tax deduction for any detectable heart rate in utero.

Next hot product: a lithium battery powered heartbeat simulator insert.

[Chuck Naill]

Another option, “safe haven boxes”
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/08/06/u...core-ios-share

[Chip]

Apparently, the RWW minority thinks dropboxes aren't secure for ballots, but just fine for babies.



No videocams aimed at that box, yeah right.

[TSherbs]

And this is the cult that Coney Barrett was a member of. Since women were taught--often being brought to tears--to be in service to others. Here is material from a Guardian article that quotes an early founder's essay on the role of women in society:

In her early writings, Dorothy Ranaghan emphasized the need for women to be “self-giving, responsible and reserved”. In a 1978 article that appeared in New Covenant magazine, called “Fully a Woman”, childbearing is described as a “central reality of womanhood” that “determines our presence in the world”, even for those who “by chance or choice” did not have children.

“The child in the womb expands the mother’s body, changing its dimensions. As her body yields, so do the borders of privacy and selfishness. Her very existence gives to another.” Women who are most admired, she wrote, “are not private persons, but are surrendered and available to care for others”.

“Pregnancy teaches a woman that others have a claim on her very person for the service of life. Rather than annihilating her, pregnancy makes her a new person, radiant and strong: a mother,” she wrote.

from here: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...ople-of-praise

You think that this justice will ever vote for a *woman's* right to control her own body during pregnancy when she has been indctrinated during her early adulthood (and then served as a mentor to other women) in these ideas of subservience?

[TSherbs]

Thanks, Susan Collins.

Looking forward to 2026 to kick your ass out of the senate. Tick, tock....

[Chuck Naill]

And this is the cult that Coney Barrett was a member of. Since women were taught--often being brought to tears--to be in service to others. Here is material from a Guardian article that quotes an early founder's essay on the role of women in society:

In her early writings, Dorothy Ranaghan emphasized the need for women to be “self-giving, responsible and reserved”. In a 1978 article that appeared in New Covenant magazine, called “Fully a Woman”, childbearing is described as a “central reality of womanhood” that “determines our presence in the world”, even for those who “by chance or choice” did not have children.

“The child in the womb expands the mother’s body, changing its dimensions. As her body yields, so do the borders of privacy and selfishness. Her very existence gives to another.” Women who are most admired, she wrote, “are not private persons, but are surrendered and available to care for others”.

“Pregnancy teaches a woman that others have a claim on her very person for the service of life. Rather than annihilating her, pregnancy makes her a new person, radiant and strong: a mother,” she wrote.

from here: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...ople-of-praise

You think that this justice will ever vote for a *woman's* right to control her own body during pregnancy when she has been indctrinated during her early adulthood (and then served as a mentor to other women) in these ideas of subservience?

It’s not just females. There was a cult like teaching in the 1970’s referred to as “Discipleship”. Followers were controlled by their “shepherd”. His involvement, there were no female shepherds, ranged from jobs, sex, children, money, and other life events. Abuse was common.

The idea of “headship” continues in Pentecostal and Charismatic gatherings. Followers are duped into the system because they are uninformed about the scriptures teachings of Jesus. These “heads” use Paul’s writings to justify themselves although Paul’s writings have a different context from modern cultures. His texts cause women to be submissive to their husbands and the “heads”.

As I have said before, women and men should be informed. Informed consent should be what both sides of the debate want most. Men and women should also know enough about the Bible before they consider submitting to anyone.

[TSherbs]

Paul's writings have the markings of a repressed sexual pervert.

[Lloyd]

Louisiana woman denied abortion despite fetus’s fatal abnormality to travel to North Carolina
https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...lity-louisiana

Typos courtesy of Samsung Auto-Incorrect™

[TSherbs]

Indiana judge puts pause on ban. Says litigants likely to win case:

https://apnews.com/article/abortion-...54915ca1324edc

[Chuck Naill]

As said as previously, birth control shoild be readily available and free.

[kazoolaw]

[QUOTE=TSherbs;374461]

In her early writings, Dorothy Ranaghan emphasized....

* * *

You think that this justice will ever vote for a *woman's* right to control her own body during pregnancy when she has been indctrinated during her early adulthood (and then served as a mentor to other women) in these ideas of subservience?

First, now do Margaret Sanger: "We don’t want the word to go out that we want to exterminate the Negro population..."
https://libex.smith.edu/omeka/files/...2df1c0c931.pdf
Second, yes.

[Chuck Naill]

Catholics are against contraceptive options and abortions. Agencies who try to help cannot discuss contraceptives if they receive Catholic money.

[TSherbs]

In her early writings, Dorothy Ranaghan emphasized....

* * *

You think that this justice will ever vote for a *woman's* right to control her own body during pregnancy when she has been indctrinated during her early adulthood (and then served as a mentor to other women) in these ideas of subservience?

First, now do Margaret Sanger: "We don’t want the word to go out that we want to exterminate the Negro population..."
https://libex.smith.edu/omeka/files/...2df1c0c931.pdf

Did you read the context in this letter?

[TSherbs]

Catholics are against contraceptive options and abortions. Agencies who try to help cannot discuss contraceptives if they receive Catholic money.

*Some* Catholics. Many, probably. Certainly the Vatican and most of the RCC hierarchy.

[Chuck Naill]

In her early writings, Dorothy Ranaghan emphasized....

* * *

You think that this justice will ever vote for a *woman's* right to control her own body during pregnancy when she has been indctrinated during her early adulthood (and then served as a mentor to other women) in these ideas of subservience?

First, now do Margaret Sanger: "We don’t want the word to go out that we want to exterminate the Negro population..."
https://libex.smith.edu/omeka/files/...2df1c0c931.pdf

Did you read the context in this letter?

The context, from the letter is she wants black doctors and minsters to communicate what she doesn’t want.

[TSherbs]

I'm checking to see if Kaz read the letter and registered the context. I can't tell from the smear suggestion in his post.

[kazoolaw]

In her early writings, Dorothy Ranaghan emphasized....

* * *

You think that this justice will ever vote for a *woman's* right to control her own body during pregnancy when she has been indctrinated during her early adulthood (and then served as a mentor to other women) in these ideas of subservience?

First, now do Margaret Sanger: "We don’t want the word to go out that we want to exterminate the Negro population..."
https://libex.smith.edu/omeka/files/...2df1c0c931.pdf

Did you read the context in this letter?

The context, from the letter is she wants black doctors and minsters to communicate what she doesn’t want.

Fish on the line: what doesn't she want them to know?