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    Default The Prisoner, and pens

    (Yes, we went there. The pens are the only redeeming value in this episode of the Patrick McGoohan classic series, Do Not Forsake Me Oh My Darling. Well, those and the Paternoster).


    Long Shot. This is supposed to be Number Six. Clearly, it's not. Because his body's been switched. Yeah, that's about the caliber of this episode. Don't get me started.

    But as for the pens...

    This one is slim, black, with gold:





    'Hand actor' in Pad Close-up, appears fat with broad gold cap band and inlaid nib, possibly white dot:





    Sir Henry(?) at Desk – view 1, slim, with silver cap...black? Red? Or both:





    Sir Henry(?) at Desk – view 2:




    With Dr Seltzman, silver cap, slim:





    (Evidently, this is what you do on a rainy Christmas night.)
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    Default Re: The Prisoner, and pens

    Quote Originally Posted by Sailor Kenshin View Post
    'Hand actor' in Pad Close-up, appears fat with broad gold cap band and inlaid nib, possibly white dot:


    The trim looks like silver or steel to me. But based on the overall appearance and the position of the dot, I'd guess it's a Sheaffer Legacy Heritage Model 9046, made in China -- 2005-Current.


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    Default Re: The Prisoner, and pens

    Quote Originally Posted by Chip View Post
    ...I'd guess it's a Sheaffer Legacy Heritage Model 9046, made in China -- 2005-Current.
    Can't be since Sailor says the photos are from the Patrick McGoohan classic series...released 1967-68. A PFM, perhaps?

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    Default Re: The Prisoner, and pens

    Quote Originally Posted by FredRydr View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Chip View Post
    ...I'd guess it's a Sheaffer Legacy Heritage Model 9046, made in China -- 2005-Current.
    Can't be since Sailor says the photos are from the Patrick McGoohan classic series...released 1967-68. A PFM, perhaps?
    You may be right!
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    Default Re: The Prisoner, and pens

    Quote Originally Posted by Sailor Kenshin View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by FredRydr View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Chip View Post
    ...I'd guess it's a Sheaffer Legacy Heritage Model 9046, made in China -- 2005-Current.
    Can't be since Sailor says the photos are from the Patrick McGoohan classic series...released 1967-68. A PFM, perhaps?
    You may be right!
    I took a close look, and I have no doubt it is a PFM. While some of the Imperials have a similar look, the width of the pen means that the gold cap band has a distinct taper to it as it narrows to the opening, as well as the particular length of clip. For my money, a PFM.

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    I have that exact pen:

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    Leaves me wondering where they got one to use as a prop in Wales.
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    Default Re: The Prisoner, and pens

    Quote Originally Posted by Sailor Kenshin View Post
    Leaves me wondering where they got one to use as a prop in Wales.
    Was it filmed in Wales or at one of the usual London studios such as Shepperton? Normal practice at the time was to shoot most of films on sound stages and patch in a few location shots.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chip View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Sailor Kenshin View Post
    Leaves me wondering where they got one to use as a prop in Wales.
    Was it filmed in Wales or at one of the usual London studios such as Shepperton? Normal practice at the time was to shoot most of films on sound stages and patch in a few location shots.
    I believe many of the exterior shots were filmed in Portmerion, Wales, and one or two in London, but the interiors no doubt in a big studio like Shepperton. Still, I was expecting English-make pens for props.
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    And my other blog is a tumblr!


    And my latest ebook, for spooky wintery reading:

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    Default Re: The Prisoner, and pens

    Quote Originally Posted by Sailor Kenshin View Post
    I was expecting English-make pens for props.
    Not many pens were made in England by 1967. I can find evidence for Conway Stewart, Yard-O-Led, Sigma, and Parker (also made at times in Canada, Denmark, France, Mexico, USA, Pakistan, India, Germany, Brazil and Argentina).

    The Conway Stewart website has items on the pen's appearance in films.


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    Default Re: The Prisoner, and pens

    Quote Originally Posted by FredRydr View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Chip View Post
    ...I'd guess it's a Sheaffer Legacy Heritage Model 9046, made in China -- 2005-Current.
    Can't be since Sailor says the photos are from the Patrick McGoohan classic series...released 1967-68. A PFM, perhaps?
    Definitely a PFM. Lookslike a white dot PFM, so it's not a PFM I. Looks like a PFM III, judging from Jim Mamoulides the Pen Hero.

    https://penhero.com/PenGallery/Sheaffer/SheafferPFM.htm

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    Default Re: The Prisoner, and pens

    Quote Originally Posted by Sailor Kenshin View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Chip View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Sailor Kenshin View Post
    Leaves me wondering where they got one to use as a prop in Wales.
    Was it filmed in Wales or at one of the usual London studios such as Shepperton? Normal practice at the time was to shoot most of films on sound stages and patch in a few location shots.
    I believe many of the exterior shots were filmed in Portmerion, Wales, and one or two in London, but the interiors no doubt in a big studio like Shepperton. Still, I was expecting English-make pens for props.
    Having the pen be of non-British origin in a British series lends a touch of the exotic.
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    Default Re: The Prisoner, and pens

    Remember, 'The Prisoner' is an extension of 'Danger Man'... McGoohan pastiching the typecastery of the genre and it's leading lights of the time with the unsubtle nuances of the psychedelic era; hence, Danger Man was a traveller, so too is The Prisoner a traveller - or at least so he tries.

    all that aside, The Prisoner series made conscious efforts to make the location of the protagonist's incarceration ambiguous.

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