I Guess it's Time to Discuss January 6th

[Chuck Naill]

You don’t need a committee or news source. All you need is to listen or read the primary source. That said, Cassety Hutchinson’s testimony should have dispelled all conspiracies.

Glad you agree we don’t need a Jan 6 committee.

Kaz, the Jan 6 committee is how we heard her testimony. Or, that's how I heard it.

[TSherbs]

Fascinating BBC article on Stewart Rhodes and the Oath Keepers, and a look inside his family, particularly through the eyes of his oldest son, Dakota, who planned and managed an escape (with his mother and siblings) from their increasingly paranoiac, controling, and violent father:

BBC Rhodes family article

[dneal]

Republicans Who Ignored Jan. 6 Panel Subpoenas Likely to Emerge Unscathed

The five Republicans from the House who ignored the Jan. 6 panel's subpoenas are likely to emerge unscathed as options to punish them become more legally limited by the day.

According to The Hill, GOP Reps. Jim Jordan of Ohio, Scott Perry of Pennsylvania, Andy Biggs of Arizona, Mo Brooks of Alabama, and House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy, were all subpoenaed by the panel for various reasons regarding the events leading up to Jan. 6, 2021. While all of the congressmen have refused to cooperate, the panel may be unable to refer them for prosecution, due to constitutional limits on Congress holding members accountable to the justice system.

"The Speech or Debate Clause makes it clear that Congress doesn't hold members of Congress accountable in the judiciary or other places in the government," Rep. Jamie Raskin, D-Md., told The Hill. "Members of Congress are only held accountable through Article One in their own chambers for their actions."

In other words, the panel likely would be unable to refer the congressman to the Justice Department. The panel is left with one other option: leave the task of dealing with the congressmen to the House Ethics Committee, which will be chaired by a Republican in the new Congress.

[Chuck Naill]

From Marjorie Taylor Green abstracted from historian Heather Richardson Cox,
"On Saturday night, at the annual gala of the New York Young Republican Club in New York City, whose attendees included a number of far-right figures, Representative Marjorie Taylor Greene (R-GA) deflected accusations that she and Trump ally Stephen Bannon were behind the events of January 6 by saying: “I want to tell you something, if Steve Bannon and I had organized that, we would have won. Not to mention, it would’ve been armed.”

What she is saying is she is willing to back an effort that would take away the will of the majority of Americans.

[Chuck Naill]

Republicans Who Ignored Jan. 6 Panel Subpoenas Likely to Emerge Unscathed

The five Republicans from the House who ignored the Jan. 6 panel's subpoenas are likely to emerge unscathed as options to punish them become more legally limited by the day.

According to The Hill, GOP Reps. Jim Jordan of Ohio, Scott Perry of Pennsylvania, Andy Biggs of Arizona, Mo Brooks of Alabama, and House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy, were all subpoenaed by the panel for various reasons regarding the events leading up to Jan. 6, 2021. While all of the congressmen have refused to cooperate, the panel may be unable to refer them for prosecution, due to constitutional limits on Congress holding members accountable to the justice system.

"The Speech or Debate Clause makes it clear that Congress doesn't hold members of Congress accountable in the judiciary or other places in the government," Rep. Jamie Raskin, D-Md., told The Hill. "Members of Congress are only held accountable through Article One in their own chambers for their actions."

In other words, the panel likely would be unable to refer the congressman to the Justice Department. The panel is left with one other option: leave the task of dealing with the congressmen to the House Ethics Committee, which will be chaired by a Republican in the new Congress.

Nope unless they lack a conscience.

[TSherbs]

From Marjorie Taylor Green abstracted from historian Heather Richardson Cox,
"On Saturday night, at the annual gala of the New York Young Republican Club in New York City, whose attendees included a number of far-right figures, Representative Marjorie Taylor Greene (R-GA) deflected accusations that she and Trump ally Stephen Bannon were behind the events of January 6 by saying: “I want to tell you something, if Steve Bannon and I had organized that, we would have won. Not to mention, it would’ve been armed.”

What she is saying is she is willing to back an effort that would take away the will of the majority of Americans.

It was a dumb thing to say in the larger politics of the time, but she has since said that she was being "sarcastic". Her ego was NOT being sarcastic (she did mean this to be a boast from her ego), but she was just being flippant with the statement. It's her m.o.

[Chuck Naill]

From Marjorie Taylor Green abstracted from historian Heather Richardson Cox,
"On Saturday night, at the annual gala of the New York Young Republican Club in New York City, whose attendees included a number of far-right figures, Representative Marjorie Taylor Greene (R-GA) deflected accusations that she and Trump ally Stephen Bannon were behind the events of January 6 by saying: “I want to tell you something, if Steve Bannon and I had organized that, we would have won. Not to mention, it would’ve been armed.”

What she is saying is she is willing to back an effort that would take away the will of the majority of Americans.

It was a dumb thing to say in the larger politics of the time, but she has since said that she was being "sarcastic". Her ego was NOT being sarcastic (she did mean this to be a boast from her ego), but she was just being flippant with the statement. It's her m.o.

She has no balls. You to "own your shit" as the old folks used to say.

[kazoolaw]

While all of the congressmen have refused to cooperate, the panel may be unable to refer them for prosecution, due to constitutional limits on Congress holding members accountable to the justice system.

"The Speech or Debate Clause makes it clear that Congress doesn't hold members of Congress accountable in the judiciary or other places in the government," Rep. Jamie Raskin, D-Md., told The Hill. "Members of Congress are only held accountable through Article One in their own chambers for their actions."

In other words, the panel likely would be unable to refer the congressman to the Justice Department. (emphasis added)

Nope unless they lack a conscience.[/QUOTE]

Early returns indicate that perhaps Rep. Jamie Raskin, D-Md, has a conscience with evidence that he both read, and has an understanding of, the U.S. Constitution, Article I, Section 6, Clause 1.

[Chuck Naill]

While all of the congressmen have refused to cooperate, the panel may be unable to refer them for prosecution, due to constitutional limits on Congress holding members accountable to the justice system.

"The Speech or Debate Clause makes it clear that Congress doesn't hold members of Congress accountable in the judiciary or other places in the government," Rep. Jamie Raskin, D-Md., told The Hill. "Members of Congress are only held accountable through Article One in their own chambers for their actions."

In other words, the panel likely would be unable to refer the congressman to the Justice Department. (emphasis added)

Nope unless they lack a conscience.

Early returns indicate that perhaps Rep. Jamie Raskin, D-Md, has a conscience with evidence that he both read, and has an understanding of, the U.S. Constitution, Article I, Section 6, Clause 1.
[/QUOTE]

Okay?

[TSherbs]

Tangential case, guilty on several weapons charges:
Yahoo News: Former Green Beret, Oath Keeper found guilty in federal weapons trial.
https://news.yahoo.com/former-green-...123815188.html

[Chuck Naill]

Tangential case, guilty on several weapons charges:
Yahoo News: Former Green Beret, Oath Keeper found guilty in federal weapons trial.
https://news.yahoo.com/former-green-...123815188.html

Thats shame a GB got caught up in Trump's insurrection.

[TSherbs]

Agreed. Sounds like he went off the deep end. The judge denied him bail because the guy was deemed dangerous. It also sounds like he hired a good lawyer.

[TSherbs]

Five years for this a-hole:

QAnon follower who chased officer on Jan. 6 gets 5 years.

https://news.yahoo.com/qanon-followe...183814105.html

[TSherbs]

Trump’s attorney general William Barr told CNN, “I personally think they probably have the basis for legitimately indicting [Trump].... They have the case.”

I believe this, too (from the pattern of behaviors, not because I know the evidence). Thus the special counsel. I think that an indictment will happen in the next 4 months (I'm about 75% sure).

Reports are that the Committee is going to recommend charges on Trump Monday. I'm not sure of the sources tho.

[dneal]

“Unnamed sources” seems to be the standard for today’s MSM.

[Chuck Naill]

"A Tennessee man already facing charges of assaulting a police officer during the storming of the Capitol last year was charged on Friday with plotting to assassinate several of the federal agents who had investigated him and to attack the F.B.I.’s field office in Knoxville, Tenn.

The plot by the man, Edward Kelley, 33, of Maryville, Tenn., was foiled this week by a witness who cooperated with the authorities and recorded him and a co-conspirator, Austin Carter, 26, of Knoxville, according to court papers filed in the case.

Mr. Kelley and Mr. Carter were charged with conspiracy, retaliating against a federal official, interstate communication of a threat and solicitation to commit a crime of violence. Both men were denied bail at a hearing on Friday in Federal District Court in Knoxville, the Justice Department said."



https://www.nytimes.com/2022/12/16/u...=US%20Politics

[Chuck Naill]

Trump’s attorney general William Barr told CNN, “I personally think they probably have the basis for legitimately indicting [Trump].... They have the case.”

I believe this, too (from the pattern of behaviors, not because I know the evidence). Thus the special counsel. I think that an indictment will happen in the next 4 months (I'm about 75% sure).

Reports are that the Committee is going to recommend charges on Trump Monday. I'm not sure of the sources tho.

https://www.politico.com/news/2022/1...erral-00074411

[Chuck Naill]

Unsealed opinion regarding documents not covered by attorney-client privilege, https://www.dcd.uscourts.gov/sites/d...r%2022gj28.pdf

[TSherbs]

"A Tennessee man already facing charges of assaulting a police officer during the storming of the Capitol last year was charged on Friday with plotting to assassinate several of the federal agents who had investigated him and to attack the F.B.I.’s field office in Knoxville, Tenn.

The plot by the man, Edward Kelley, 33, of Maryville, Tenn., was foiled this week by a witness who cooperated with the authorities and recorded him and a co-conspirator, Austin Carter, 26, of Knoxville, according to court papers filed in the case.

Mr. Kelley and Mr. Carter were charged with conspiracy, retaliating against a federal official, interstate communication of a threat and solicitation to commit a crime of violence. Both men were denied bail at a hearing on Friday in Federal District Court in Knoxville, the Justice Department said."



https://www.nytimes.com/2022/12/16/u...=US%20Politics

Well, well, well.

A lovely pair.

Assuming the charges stick, the dimensions of a jail cell are going to become quite familiar to them.

[TSherbs]

Another pair, but this one is a mother and her son:

ABC News: Iowa man who joined mom at Capitol riot guilty on 12 counts.

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wire...ty-12-95437681